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That alternative material is aluminum. It’s like a top four abundance material in the crust. It’s just super fucking hard to refine from minerals that don’t like to give it up without oodles of energy. Like, turn minerals into plasma levels of energy. So the irony is, to grow our energy economy past the need for copper, we will first need to grow our energy economy.

Should fusion ever actually meet its promise, then this is one of the likely things we could do with this level of energy.

If we ever become a spacefaring civilization, it’ll almost certainly be necessary during the colonization of other planets/moons/asteroids, since the geological processes that concentrate copper on the earth are not present in those places. Whereas aluminum is plentiful any place rocky.

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catloaf@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Recycling aluminum, however, is much more energy-efficient!

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- troyunrau@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Very true. However, it doesn’t add new material to the equation. If we need it to build electrical infrastructure, recycling won’t suffice.
  
  Recycling aluminum is actually literally the best thing you can recycle in terms of environmental impact and cost efficiency. There are other things we recycle, but nothing pays off nearly as well.
  
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- ininewcrow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  Recycling? What about the mining economy? We’re going to need our investors in order to make it to Alpha Centauri.
  
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qjkxbmwvz@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

So the irony is

I see what you did there…

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kattfisk@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Aluminium smelting is so energy intensive that Iceland, a country with a population of less than 400 000, is the world’s 12th largest producer of it, even though the raw materials aren’t mined there. Iceland just has cheap geothermal and hydroelectric power.

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MisterD@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Aluminum expands under electrical loads and the wires become loose. Loose wires are a fire hazard.

The real solution is steel wire with a copper coating. Electricity flows on the outer region of wires anyhow.

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