Comment on It's Breathtaking How Fast AI Is Screwing Up the Education System

• pinkapple@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You made huge claims using a non peer reviewed preprint with garbage statistics and abysmal experimental design where they put together 21 bikes and 4 race cars to bury openAI flagship models under the group trend and go to the press with it. I’m not going to go over all the flaws but all the performance drops happen when they spam the model with the same prompt several times and then suddenly add or remove information, while using greedy decoding which will cause artificial averaging artifacts. It’s context poisoning with extra steps i.e. not logic testing but prompt hacking.

  This is Apple (that is falling behind in its AI research) attacking a competitor with fake FUD and doesn’t even count as research, which you’d know if you looked it up and saw you know, opinions of peers.

  You’re just protecting an entrenched belief based on corporate slop so what would you do with peer reviewed anything? You didn’t bother to check the one you posted yourself.

  Or you post corporate slop on purpose and now trying to turn the conversation away from that. Usually the case when someone conveniently bypasses absolutely all your arguments lol.

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  • DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Okay, here’s a non apple source since you want it.

    arxiv.org/abs/2402.12091

    5 Conclusion In this study, we investigate the capacity of LLMs, with parameters varying from 7B to 200B, to com- prehend logical rules. The observed performance disparity between smaller and larger models indi- cates that size alone does not guarantee a profound understanding of logical constructs. While larger models may show traces of semantic learning, their outputs often lack logical validity when faced with swapped logical predicates. Our findings suggest that while LLMs may improve their logical reason- ing performance through in-context learning and methodologies such as COT, these enhancements do not equate to a genuine understanding of logical operations and definitions, nor do they necessarily confer the capability for logical reasoning.

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    • pinkapple@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Another unpublished preprint that hasn’t published peer review? Funny how that somehow doesn’t matter when something seemingly supports your talking points. Too bad it doesn’t exactly mean what you want it to mean.

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      “Logical operations and definitions” = Booleans and propositional logic formalisms. You don’t do that either because humans don’t think like that but I’m not surprised you’d avoid mentioning the context and go for the kinda over the top and easy to misunderstand conclusion.

      It’s really interesting how you get people constantly doubling down on specifically chatbots being useless citing random things from google but somehow Palantir finds great usage in their AIs for mass surveillance and policing. What’s the talking point there, that they’re too dumb to operate and that nobody should worry?

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      • DoPeopleLookHere@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

        As apposed to the nothing you’ve cited that context tokens actually improve reasoning?

        I love how you keep going further and further away from the education topic at hand, and now brining in police survalinece, which everyone knows is 100% accurate.

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