Comment on It's Breathtaking How Fast AI Is Screwing Up the Education System

• Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Give them typewriters

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  • wjrii@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    There is test-taking software that locks out all other functions during the essay-writing period. Obviously, damn near anything is hackable, but it’s non-trivial, unlike asking ChatGPT to write your essay for you in the style of a B+ high student. There is some concern about students who learn differently or compose less efficiently, but as father to such a student, I’m still getting to the point where I’m not sure what’s left to do other than sandbox “exploitable” graded work in a controlled environment.

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  • applemao@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I love this idea.

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• MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Speaking from a life of dyspraxia - no, not everyone with sucky handwriting is lazy, many of us would spend 95% of our capacity on making the writing legible and be challenged to learn the actual topic as a result.

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  • RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I can get the essay done in time or it can be easy to read it cannot be both

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  • Norin@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    This is why we have accommodations offices at colleges.

    No problem giving an alternative for those who need it.

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    • MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      In the 1980s that wasn’t really a thing. Besides, it taught me a valuable skill: I partnered with someone who was good at taking notes and I was good at paying attention without taking any notes - she, too, had a problem understanding what she was writing down while writing it down, but took beautiful copies of the lecture. So, afterwards we’d get together and I’d explain her notes to her - which helped me to cement the concepts in my head, at least long enough to get through the exam, and she got her notes explained.

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  • TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    keep at it. it is worth the pain.

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• rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Computers with some encyclopedia, but no GPTs are fine, no?

  If a kid can write and train a mini-GPT trainable on that encyclopedia, then maybe they deserve the mark for desperation and ingenuity and being a fucking new Leonardo.

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  • MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    GPTs are fine, if you learn to disrespect their output and fix it before presenting it as your own.

    Actually, taught that way, GPT may be a tool for teaching critical thinking - if the professors aren’t too lazy to mark down the garbage output.

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    • RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Only if the first draft is the student’s own creation otherwise they will never learn how to analyze a work and construct the argument theu want to make beginning to end.

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      • MangoCats@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        A lot of people “have trouble getting started” - in all kinds of endeavors. Once you get them rolling, they can see the pattern and do it for themselves next time. If the AI glop gets lucky and copied decent argument from beginning to end (something I’ve seen it fail spectacularly at many times), then that can help jumpstart people who are stuck, but only if they can recognize when it’s just a bunch of glop.

        Really, if would be better for them to read a bunch of samples for themselves (which is what the AI does) and hopefully they can get the pattern. What I think is a horrible approach is to sit in a lecture hall and listen to a little guy down front drone in a monotone about the theory of what you are supposed to do, then try to synthesize from the fragments of what you understood from that what is expected. Samples to work from are much more efficient.

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  • Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Open book and calculators would seem reasonable. No communication or searching devices.

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    • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      No communication - of course, but about search - I don’t think having a Wikipedia snapshot with search is bad.

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• Colloidal@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  Man, the US has a handwriting problem. It sucks sooo much. In other countries it seems to be only doctors, but in the US? Fucking everyone.

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