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hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 week agoYour stuff is still in the cloud, so I would say no. It’s better than using the big tech products, but I wouldn’t say it’s fully “self hosted”. Not that that really makes much of a difference. You’re still pretty much in control of everything, so you should be fine.
jeena@piefed.jeena.net 1 week ago
Where is the tipping point though? If I have a server at my parents house, they live in Germany and I in Korea, does my dad host it then because he is paying for the electricity and the access to the internet and makes sure those things work?
hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
Your parents’ house isn’t the cloud, so yeah, it’s self hosted. The “tipping point” is whether you’re using a hosting provider.
smiletolerantly@awful.systems 1 week ago
They are using a hosting provider - their dad.
“The cloud” is also just a bunch of machines in a basement. Lots of machines in lots of “basements”, but still.
hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
Their dad is not a hosting provider. I mean, maybe he is, but that would be really weird.
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world 1 week ago
“hosting provider” in this instance I think means “do you pay them a monthly/quarterly/yearly fee”
otherwise you can also say “well ACTUALLY your isp is providing the ability to host on the wan so they are the real hosting provider” and such…
jeena@piefed.jeena.net 1 week ago
Isn't my dad the hosting provider? I ordered the hardware, he connected it to his switch and his electricity and pressed the button to start it the first time. From there on I logged in to his VPN and set up the server like I would at Hetzner.
But you're right it doesn't really make a difference. I feel the only difference it makes for me where I post my questions on Lemmy if it is in a !selfhosting community or a !linux community.
From a feeling perspective, even if I use Hetzners cloud, I feel I self host my single user PieFed instance (and matrix, my other websites, mastodon, etc.) because I have to preform basically the same steps as for things I'm really hosting at home like open-webui, immich, peertube.
hperrin@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
A hosting provider is a business. If your dad is a business and you are buying hosting services from him, then yes, he is a hosting provider and you are not self hosting. But that’s not what you’re doing. You’re hosting on your own hardware on your family’s internet. That’s self hosting.
When you host on Hetzner, you’re hosting on their hardware using their internet. That’s not self hosting. It’s similar, cause like you said, you have to do a lot of the same administration work, but it’s not self hosting.
Where it gets a little murky is rack space providers. Then you’re hosting on your own hardware, but it’s not your own internet, and there’s staff there to help you… kinda iffy whether you’re self hosting, but I’d say yeah, since you own the hardware.