Comment on Adobe turns subscription screw again, telling users to pay up or downgrade

• Zedd_Prophecy@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Most probably didn’t learn in school - they learned because they pirated the software. This used to be a boon for Adobe as by mostly ignoring piracy they were training the workforce in private. Somewhere along the lines Adobe got greedy and will eventually pay the price as they won’t own the landscape forever. Software like Blender is already allowing people to not buy the poison that is After effects in some cases.

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• nasi_goreng@lemmy.zip ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I wouldn’t say its their fault tho.

  Professional will use software that suitable for their workflow. I’ve seen professionals changing their main software if there was better alternative.

  For example, there are wave of professional that are moving from Adobe to Affinity. Illustrator and comic artist are moving from Photoshop to Clip Studio Paint or Procreate. Some video editor will instantly change their software to Davinci Resolve.

  Most of the time, they can’t change their software because their client requires file compability, such as Photoshop-native PSD. Sure, other software can open/edit PSD, but they might not fully support all PSD format specification.

  That’s why people on open source community focused on open format and open workflow instead. Inkscape use SVG. Krita use ORA. And so on.

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• anomnom@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I stick with the overpriced Mac and ditched Adobe when I was in charge of the design department. The hardware lasts and the trackpad is unrivaled and Pixelmator and the Affinity apps are good enough.

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• thesmokingman@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I really hate it when people blame consumers for problems instead of producers. Let’s go ahead and examine your hypothesis.

  • someone wants to learn how to be a designer
  • they spend time and money being taught Adobe products in a bootcamp or school
  • since they aren’t defined by their job, they do literally anything else in their free time rather than bringing school home with them
  • occasionally they see other stuff like Affinity or GIMP but the interface is radically different from what they’re learning or an important feature requires more time to figure out than they can budget
  • they get a job that requires Adobe
  • years later, when they have purchasing authority, they’re told they need to cut costs and decide maybe researching is a good idea
  • the first results for Adobe alternatives are just a bunch of Lemmy threads calling them lazy

  Can you point out where in this process our hypothetical user should have done something different? And more importantly why it’s this person’s fault they’ve been vendor-locked their whole career? Note that a critical assumption I’m making here is that not everyone is a power user because, unsurprisingly, not everyone is a power user.

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  • sorghum@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s like the saying: The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The next best time to plant a tree is right now.

    If James Lee’s videos are a barometer on how artists and creators deal with Adobe, I’m convinced that a relationship Adobe is abusive. He went from defending and offering to help Adobe to cutting them out of his life over the course of 5 months. No one deserves an abusive relationship, but leaving or staying in one is totally a choice that has real consequences.

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    • thesmokingman@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This doesn’t answer the question at all. Don’t get me wrong; I have zero interest in supporting Adobe and I tell anyone they’re toxic. What I’m frustrated with is blaming users of their software. To use your real world examples, that’s like blaming millennials for the myth of plastic recycling. You can attack them writ large for something they have no control over or you can go for the source.

      A very similar argument can be made about cloud software. The cloud engineering pipeline is geared toward forcing you into Azure, GCP, or AWS. Attacking the DevOps engineer just trying to make a living for the AI abuse supported by Azure is the wrong idea.

      Your response is a much better way to change the picture. Education and connection, not blame.

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      • sorghum@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I thought my answer would be obvious, but the answer was to not use Adobe from the start and the next best time to stop using Adobe is right now. It doesn’t matter where you are at in your career. The answer isn’t always easy to implement and it isn’t what we want to hear. It’s why many of us are here on Lemmy and not Reddit. We decided that not having the good things at Reddit was better than the shit we had to put up with over there.

        As far as the cloud goes, moving things back on prem is the best option to not be in that abusive type relationship. It’s what I’ve been learning in my skillset in IT over the past 2 years in my spare time with some junk parts I had laying around, a few hard drives, and retired PCs I acquired that can’t upgrade to win 11. My skills will be sharp as the momentum builds toward the tipping point of moving off cloud including running AI locally. My favorite thing has been learning pf/opnsense. If you’re old enough to remember the PIX before Cisco it was originally created with off the shelf hardware. pf/opnsense feels like a return to that adapting to a lot of different hardware.

        Ultimately I don’t blame someone for staying in an abusive relationship, but I can’t pity them when there are options to get out. I just show them how to get out and the struggles that will come with my choices. Otherwise the next cloud thing will be User Operating Systems as a Service and that’s going to be a whole 'nother shitshow. Imagine $20+/mo just to boot your computer/phone/tablet.

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• almost1337@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I don’t know how much I can blame the non-tech-savvy professionals on their selection of software, especially when the alternatives aren’t broadly known or understood.

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  • Belly_Beanis@hexbear.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve had to teach myself Clip Studio Paint, which is better than Photoshop, but I’ve also taught myself things wrong (not as a joke).

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  • Lightor@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Either way, you should know and explore the tools of your trade.

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    • thesmokingman@programming.dev ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      1. Why?
      2. Are employers legally required to give employees time to grow their skills?
      3. If there is no regulated time for employees to grow their skills, should employees spend their free time growing their work skills?

      You’re using lemmy.world. How much time did you spend deciding that was the place to be? Why did you pick Lemmy over the *bins? How much time have you put into your posting and commenting workflow? How much do you actually know about how ActivityPub works? What tools have you written?

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      • Lightor@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        1. To be good at your job and do well. Especially in tech where things can evolve quickly. Or just learn your job once and get left behind.
        2. I like growing my skill because I like that I do and being better at it I can demand more money. I do this outside of my employer because I want to grow.
        3. To be better at what you do, learn ways to avoid struggles you run into to make your life easier, be able to demand more money by knowing skills or tools others don’t. I mean a ton of reasons.

        My commenting and posting workflow aren’t things that can help me buy a house. Knowing emerging technologies that command a higher salary can. I literally learned the skills of my career on my own, online. I read books, I learned how to use tools, I grew. Now I make more money because of that. I wasn’t sitting around waiting for for employer to pay for and make me get better at something. I don’t get how this is such a hard thing to comprehend.

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