Comment on Deal with EU will make food cheaper and add £9bn to UK economy, says No 10
echodot@feddit.uk 20 hours agoYeah but we’re not exactly living in the utopian society that we were promised. If anything brexit has proven to be as disastrous as everyone who opposed it predicted.
The brexit voters are utterly unprepared to accept they made a mistake so they are casting around to find reasons to blame everyone but themselves. Clearly somebody did something wrong clearly there was some evil cabal intent on ruining it for them. L
we’re not exactly living in the utopian society that we were promised
I’ve no idea what promises you’re referring to.
If anything brexit has proven to be as disastrous as everyone who opposed it predicted.
I’ve no idea what predictions you’re referring to.
The brexit voters are utterly unprepared to accept they made a mistake
I don’t see how voting for brexit was a mistake. Again, the UK is out of the EU. Seems successful to me.
You know all of the promises that Boris Johnson the enormously deceitful individual gave. How he’d be able to negotiate all our own trade deals with India and Australia and suddenly those countries would randomly want to trade with us. Where did those trade deals go?
How are we better out of the EU than we are in it if our biggest trading partner remains the EU and therefore all of our policies and business practises have to be in line with EU requirements in order for them to accept our goods. What we seem to have voted for is to still be under EU rules but to have lost any ability to have an input on them.
You appear to be defining success according to your own definition so you can claim victory where none was achieved. You are defining success as it was done, yeah we left but we got zero benefit out of it.
You know all of the promises that Boris Johnson the enormously deceitful individual gave.
No. I didn’t pay any attention to the brexit campaigning. I’d been arguing for leaving the EU for years before all that nonsense happened. Why on Earth anyone would pay any attention to anything Johnson says, ever, is beyond me.
How are we better out of the EU than we are in it if our biggest trading partner remains the EU
There’s more to life and government than just trade. If you want to know some of my arguments for why we’re better off out of the EU, I’ll repurpose a previous comment:
For a start it means that the structure of the government better reflects the concerns of the population. The EU never really made much of a dent in the consciousness of Britons. I expect the number of citizens who knew the name of their MEP off the top of their head would be dwarfed by the number of citizens who knew the name of their MP. This is in comparison to continental countries, particularly in my mind Germany, where the EU, EU political parties and MEPs are very much present in the minds of the electorate. At least, that was my experience.
Also, in my view the EU is quite undemocratic. The separate Council, Commission and Parliament are an affront. Especially the fact that the Parliament, which represents the electorate, does not have the power to introduce legislation. The people are an inconvenient afterthought in the EU power structure. Here’s Yanis Varoufakis when he was finance minister for Greece back when they had their economic meltdown, talking about the impending referendum on whether to accept European proposals regarding Greece’s debt: [in the event that the referendum accepts the European proposals] “I am not going to impede its progress through parliament. This is my commitment to democracy and my commitment to the people, that I have entrusted with the decision, with the verdict of yes/no, or no, in a way that has incensed my colleagues in the Euro group who don’t believe that ‘such complex matters’, as I’ve been told, ‘should be put to common folk’.” – youtu.be/OmqnYHmRg48?t=625 That, to me, is the EU. The British people are better off out of it.
EU Regional Development Funds are another horror. They’re run by unelected bureaucrats, stepping on the toes of existing, democratically elected regional institutions like… councils. Instead of giving hundreds of millions to councils for development projects, or even creating larger regional institutions with democratically elected leadership, someone thought it would be a good idea to give those millions to unelected bureaucrats to spend in the same area. I’m still mystified as to how this ever came to pass. Brexit couldn’t come soon enough.
mbirth@lemmy.ml 16 hours ago
Have you looked at other European countries lately? They’re no utopian societies either. And things like the EU probably going to demand 34 billion Euros from Germany for not quite reaching the arbitrary climate goals the EU made up… make me very happy that the UK isn’t a part of those shenanigans anymore.
HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 14 hours ago
You mean the arbitrary climate goals Germany and all members of the EU made up.
The EU is not some nebulous org that doesn’t exist without it’s members. Germany was a huge part of the members calling for these goals.
As was the UK in absolutely everything brexiters complained about.
mbirth@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
Nobody voted for the people sitting in lovely Brussels and making decisions that impact all member countries in all their different situations. It was good when it was still the EEC and meant to improve trading between member countries. And trading only. How we ended up with this monster of EU trying to dictate things like you can’t sell cucumbers which are curved more than X degrees, or banning incandescent and halogen light bulbs, and stuff like that… I don’t know. But I don’t like it.
HumanPenguin@feddit.uk 13 hours ago
Yep they did.
Every nation in the EU is a democracy it is a requirement.
They elect there leaders. Those leaders send representatives to the council.
And citizens elect mep that approve or reject council mandates.