Comment on Tesla Full Self Driving Is Now 'End-To-End AI'

• FoxBJK@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Human drivers should be facing more rigorous testing regardless. It’s horrifically easy to get a license… and then they never test you again for the rest of your life. That’s just insane when you think about it. My test was in 2002. Feels like I should have to retake it at some point.

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  • TenderfootGungi@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    And take them away for bad driving. But we don’t because our entire transportation infrastructure, outside of a few cities namely NY, is built around everyone driving a car.

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• IphtashuFitz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yes. A human brain can handle edge cases it’s never encountered before. Can a self driving car?

  • Ever stop at a red light only to have a police officer wave you through?

  • Ever encounter a car driving the wrong way down a one way street?

  • Ever come across a flooded out stretch of road? (if the road has no lines and the water is still it can be very deceptive looking)

  These are a tiny number of things I’ve encountered over the past few years. I’m sure plenty of other drivers can provide other good examples. I’d want to know how a self driving car would handle itself in situations like these.

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  • TopShelfVanilla@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How will the bot car handle itself out in the country? Dirt roads? Deer? Roadblock checkpoints full of bored, mean spirited cops.

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    • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      How will the bot car handle itself out in the country? Dirt roads?

      They don’t go there. They have their limits. Simple as that.

      But when the police has ordered them there (for example, the road must be emptied because of an emergency) then the trouble starts… now imagine not just one or two, but hundreds of them.

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Those are pretty basic conditions that I hope are already in the training data.

    What about a wildfire evacuation? Police might have people driving on the wrong side of the highway to make use of all the lanes. Smoke might be obscuring everything. A human driver would know not to pay attention to any of the road signs in that situation without ever having been trained on it, but would a self-driving car?

    Or, how about any situation where a police officer has to have a driver roll down the window to give them instructions for dealing with some unusual situation, like a chemical spill or a landslide.

    Or, what about highway signs that have been shot by a shotgun so that it’s hard to read? Or, what about novelty highway signs that a business might put up as a joke?

    Self-driving cars definitely need to be tested against a much bigger range of situations than a human driver. Much as we might be baffled by their lack of common sense, the common sense of an average 16-year-old is still off the charts compared to an AI. Having said that, I know how bad many drivers are, and I wouldn’t be surprised if the competent self-driving car organizations (Cruize, Waymo, etc.) are already better than an average driver under 99.9% of common scenarios.

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• snooggums@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Yes because each person must learn on their own and have limited experience relative to the general public as a whole.

  Self driving cars can 'learn' from all self driving cars and don't get tired, forget, or anything like that. While they shouldn't be held to perfection, they should absolutely be held to a higher standard than a human.

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• NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Should a self-driving car face more rigorous tests than actual human drivers? Honest question

  First: none of these automated cars would pass a German driver’s license test. By far.

  Second: of course you cannot compare tests for humans with tests for machines.

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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What are the things you think would cause a self-driving car to fail the German test?

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    • NeoNachtwaechter@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Many. But the most obvious currently: they are going too slow.

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      • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Going too slow where, in the city? They’re following traffic and/or speed limits. They also go on highways, but again, there are speed limits. I’m sure they could have a version for Germany where the max speed was adjusted to be appropriate for the autobahn.

        As for turning their heads, does Germany make no exceptions for people with disabilities? I’m sure that they could implement a version of “show the instructor you’re paying attention to the right thing”.

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