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• YeetPics@mander.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  “Donald Trump is a liberal”

  Break this down.

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  • Nama@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ll oversimplify a bit, but here you go. In economic terms, liberalism is a market oriented economy, and the current iteration of neoliberalism is marked by social welfare cuts and tax cuts for the rich with “trickle down” effect in mind (allegedly). That ideology is shared by both the democratic and republican parties. The difference between communists and liberals in the sense the word is most often used, is that economic approach, and from that perspective both liberals and conservatives are “liberal”.

    Now the common use of the word is a bit different, but that’s almost exclusively US from what I can tell. Hexbear is also international though, and liberal is a common term for right wingers where I’m from for example.

    Hope I could help.

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  • SpookyGenderCommunist@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Liberalism has a couple of different definitions. The one you’re thinking of is the one in US politics where “Liberal” is synonymous with "Left’. This isn’t how it’s being used here though.

    Liberalism, as a broad ideological trend that came out of the enlightenment, contains within it, Conservatism. Conservatism was theorized by people like Edmund Burke who, seeing that the previous feudal hierarchy was dying off, sought to preserve it, at least as much as was possible, by accepting Liberal notions of property rights and capitalism.

    So, instead of a social hierarchy being ordained by God, it’s decided by the market, and social conflict is meditated through the liberal, Lockean, Republic.

    So when we call Trump a liberal, we mean it in this broad sense. He’s still a conservative, but conservatism is a subset of capital L Liberalism.

    This is in contrast to Leftism, which also contains a lot of things within it, but breaks from a lot of the philosophical assumptions that undergird Liberalism.

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    • SergeantScurvy@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is actually helpful, thank you for this.

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  • WhyEssEff@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    liberalism is the ideology of capitalism. donald trump is a capitalist. donald trump is a liberal. easy.

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  • sawne128@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is there anything confusing about that statement?

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    • Egon@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes, otherwise they would not have asked it. We all learn something new everyday, and what’s old for you is novel for others

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      • sawne128@hexbear.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Uh, I think I was right to be suspicious of their good faith.

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