Comment on That's all folks, Plex is starting to charge for sharing

Xanza@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• aim_at_me@lemmy.nz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I dunno man, I don’t care much, when Plex gets shitty enough I’ll jump. But paying for the ongoing maintenance of software isn’t some evil thing, even if I self host it.

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  • Xanza@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    But paying for the ongoing maintenance of software isn’t some evil thing, even if I self host it.

    But that’s not what you’re paying for. You’re paying for access to that software…

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    • aim_at_me@lemmy.nz ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I know. And some of that money, funds development, and some of that development includes security.

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  • merthyr1831@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You’re not paying for software maintenance, you’re paying a subscription service to a private company that has already decided to cut back on features that others also thought they were paying to maintain.

    If you want to actually pay for software maintenance, migrate to Jellyfin and pay them instead, rather than filtering your payments through middle managers and shareholders first.

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    • Legume5534@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Many of us bought lifetime passes ages ago though so we’re not paying a subscription.

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    • SRo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Problem is jellyfin (apps and server) is shit

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      • dogs0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You didn’t ask, but if you’ve had a bad experience with the apps, you could try one of the native apps.

        My friends on Apple devices thing Swiftfin (github.com/jellyfin/Swiftfin) is much better than the normal jellyfin app.

        I haven’t used this one/know anyone that has: Findroid (third party) (github.com/jarnedemeulemeester/findroid). Mostly because I haven’t had any issues with the official jellyfin app for android, but it would probably give a cleaner experience, being native and all.

        For the server, I think it’s fantastic. Never had any problems that weren’t a few clicks to resolve. Pretty much use it and forget I’m the one maintaining it for the most part. I wonder what issues you encountered?

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• FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  It’s also fucking wild to me that people are defending a monetization model that is on self hosted hardware.

  It’s wild to me that people who claim to be tech savvy don’t understand that Plex Server, the software, is what makes Plex what it is and as popular as it is. No other solution exists that is as easy as Plex and as secure as Plex. Jellyfin, Emby, Kodi, etc are nowhere near as simple to use and don’t have the breadth of app support that Plex does. Plex is basically on every device anyone owns. They sign in and they can stream from everyones libraries. No VPNs needed, no other hoops.

  I paid like $100 for a lifetime Plex Pass like 10 years ago. The 2 dozen friends and family that share my server don’t pay a cent and this changes nothing.

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  • Xanza@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No other solution exists that is as easy as Plex and as secure as Plex.

    Entrenchment. This is a profoundly absurd statement.

    I paid like $100 for a lifetime Plex Pass like 10 years ago.

    You paid $100 to access software hosted on your own devices. That’s wonderful you think that’s a great idea. I’m sure the Plex devs love you and would kiss you right on the mouth.

    They sign in and they can stream from everyones libraries. No VPNs needed, no other hoops.

    Because you’re vendor locked in… lol.

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    • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I paid $100 to play Forza Horizon on my own device too - should that have been free?

      This is a profoundly absurd statement.

      That no other solution exists that is as easy and secure as Plex? That’s not just absurd, but profoundly absurd? What other solution is there that is?

      Your entire argument seems to be that software should be free if it’s on your own device, which is a profoundly absurd statement. The only paid software should be on hardware you don’t own?

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      • Xanza@lemm.ee ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I paid $100 to play Forza Horizon on my own device too - should that have been free?

        This is a complete false equivalence and I feel that you know that. The idea of a console is to expand it by buying new games. That’s not unexpected.

        Your entire argument seems to be that software should be free

        I am a software developer. The argument isn’t that software should be free. The argument is that this is an exceptionally poor business model and as a developer I’m disgusted that people are defending it. The VC which owns Plex and other VCs will use this “logic” that you have to move the goal posts further, and further, and further, and further until there’s no such thing as free software anymore. And I think that’s fucked up.

        At the end of the day you’re paying twice to avoid buying IP. Just fucking buy the IP if you’re going to be stupid. Movies are like $12. At $250 you’re paying $2.10/mo in addition to your hosting costs.

        Just go buy 20 movies for the same price. It’s so dumb.

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  • lepinkainen@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This.

    I just set up Plex for my mom on her bargain bin cheapo android TV. It had the plex app right there and it’ll play without transcoding.

    Can’t do that with Jellyfin.

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  • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This place sucks at times as it becomes clear it’s just an echo chamber that we used to call the Donald for.

    My users don’t like the UI of Jellyfin as it isn’t as polished as Plex. I do this for my users and although it costs me money, it does save them a whole lot more money and means they’re taken out of some capitalist systems which should be the goal no?

    I also have the cost of a VPN too.

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    • HamstersAreLowCarb@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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      • dependencyinjection@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Not in the slightest.

        On iOS for instance there is a weird thing where it has a set of Ui controls and then if you double tap the screen it turns to the iPhone default Ui controls.

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    • douglasg14b@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I use jellyfin, and jellyfin is not safe to expose to the internet.

      They have a handful of vulnerability and security holes that have been open for like 5+ years now. And the old emby architecture is quite difficult to work with.

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      • MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And they actively refuse to do anything about them because it would force clients to update. You could just just as well open an unsecured ftp server to your content

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      • kylian0087@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        A load of those so called vulnerabilities are way overblown and in most cases require you to be logged in anyway.

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• scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Yup, read through this thread and it becomes clearer and clearer. and trust me, I’ve been a long time hold out, I’ve been through this many times - but this is the first time I’ve seen functionality removed from Plex to be put behind a paywall. And doing a price hike at the same time. Absolutely shitty. I’ve already migrated off.

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  • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    You have a plex pass though, so nothing changed for you - you just got all angry because you didn’t read the email properly.

    Your users are going to be much worse off now than they were, and you will absolutely lose a bunch of them who don’t want to (or can’t) have to connect to a VPN every time they want to stream from your library.

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    • dogs0n@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      you will absolutely lose a bunch of them

      I always see this and I have to ask: why do you care?

      They likely aren’t paid customers of yours, if they don’t follow your rules and the software you like to use, then they are free to use any other method of consuming media.

      VPN

      Have to agree with the other comment that asks why do you need to use a vpn. Fax

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      • FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I always see this and I have to ask: why do you care?

        Because OP is scared of losing their users because of their incorrect thinking that Plex was requiring them all to buy a remote streaming pass, so clearly OPs goal is to not lose their users, right?

        OP asked, we’re answering. That’s kinda the whole point of this thing called Lemmy. We don’t care per se, we’re just telling OP our opinions and thoughts on their questions and proposed solutions.

        Have to agree with the other comment that asks why do you need to use a vpn. Fax

        If you don’t use a VPN you’re putting yourself at risk. There’s no real way around it with Jellyfin, as others have said.

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    • cyberwolfie@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Why would they need to connect to a VPN every time they connect to Jellyfin?

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      • vithigar@lemmy.ca ⁨11⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Jellyfin has some security issues that, depending on who you ask, are either critical vulnerabilities that make it completely unsafe to expose to the Internet or largely unconcerning for regular users.

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