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It seems like multiple things are being conflated here and I’m not sure what the reality is because I’ve never used Plex.

Some people claim this has something to do with Plex needing to pay for NAT traversal infrastructure. Okay, that seems sort of silly but at least there’s the excuse that their servers are involved in the streaming somehow.

But their wording is very broad, just calling it “remote streaming.” That led me to this article on the Plex support website, which walks people through setting up port forwarding in order to enable “remote streaming”! So that excuse doesn’t really seem to hold water. What exactly is being paid for here then? How do they define what “local streaming” is?

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scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
Exactly my point. There’s some due hard people here saying that remote streaming is only possible because of plex’s servers, but that’s just not true. They act as fancy DNS or proxying, they lust point to your local server. That’s all. Regular DNS or even an IP and port are all it takes to get remote streaming up

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- valkyre09@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  There are two types connection in this scenario
  
  Direct - no additional cost to Plex, using the port forwarding instructions you mentioned. No limit on bandwidth - the best (and most common) option
  
  Relay - for whatever reason your client cannot reach the server (CGNAT / port forwarding not possible / firewall on client side etc), Plex will act like a man in the middle & limit the connection to 2mbit. (Yup, megaBIT).
  
  I switched away from Plex last year because they wouldn’t let me connect with my box in Hetzner. I’m now using Emby, ironically I’m also paying for Emby’s monthly subscription. Not because I believe I need to, but because I want the developer to continue to work on it.
  
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  - lepinkainen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    You do know what caused the Hetzner thing?
    
    People were literally farming Plex in there. They bought a 2-4TB server in the auction and installed Plex and a content farm setup to feed it fresh content.
    
    Then they sold access to the server until it was at capacity. GOTO 10
    
    At one point Hetzner went “fuck this” and just banned Plex altogether. We can’t have nice things because some people are dipshits professionally.
    
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    valkyre09@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    It was Plex that did the IP range ban because people were selling access to their boxes.
    
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  - FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    
    Not because I believe I need to, but because I want the developer to continue to work on it.
    
    Strange how so many people don’t have this same attitude towards the developers of Plex.
    
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    Evotech@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    It’s just that they see Plex more like a faceless corporation now
    
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- dave@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  it might not cost plex much but from the average joe’s point of view they might not want to mess around with this stuff, or might have never even heard of DNS or proxies in the first place so those types of people might be more inclined to pay for a feature that does all that for them. thats what plex could be hedging their bets on
  
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FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago

What exactly is being paid for here then?

Software support and the company existing, mainly, which I dunno about you but I’m ok with.

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- melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
  It seems deeply opposed to the spirit of selfhosting to have to pay for the privilege of accessing one’s own server. If the software itself cost money, that would be one thing, but this whole monetization scheme is skeevy.
  
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  - MaggiWuerze@feddit.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    Remote streaming means to people outside your home. You can just use a VPN and won’t have to pay a dime, just like you wouldn’t when you streamed to you TV at home. They offer servers that help lunch through more aggressive NATs and allow its users to just install the app and access the content from anywhere without having to worry about a VPN or something.
    
    I honestly find it baffling that so many people are opposed to lay for a service they are using. Probably shows that most people that pirate are cheapskates rather than anti drm
    
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  - FreedomAdvocate@lemmy.net.au ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    It’d fit the privilege of using someone else’s software.
    
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    melmi@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
    It’s the confusing mess of subscriptions and seemingly locking basic functionality behind a paywall that’s skeevy, not paying for software itself. I have happily paid for software before and would again. Plex has never appealed to me though, and they’re certainly doing nothing to make themselves more appealing.
    
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j0ester@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨week⁩ ago
The only thing I can think of why they’re doing this is, to drown illegal servers and remove them easily (ones that you see on eBay).

Even if those people people for a Plex Pass, and they get caught… Plex wins; because they still have their money.

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