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• jimmux@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  That’s supposed to be the consensus of the “fuck cars” movement, but the name certainly gives the impression of being completely against cars. When your eyes are opened to how car-centric infrastructure has taken over our societies it’s hard not to be a bit reactive.

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  • Godric@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Unfortunately, every time I see something from that community it’s just vehicular hate-jerking

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    • jimmux@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It was more focused in the beginning, but I left them a while ago because it did become derailed as it grew. Reddit was never great at nuance.

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  • postnataldrip@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Bingo, though the r*ddit fuckcars certainly took the name literally which has given the one here something of an inherited reputation to shake free of.

    I love cars and would likely continue to own them even if I no longer needed them day to day. That’s vilified on the other site but seems fine here, as it should be.

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    • PacMan@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yeah, that’s why I blocked that subreddit. The car hate was too much. Not like I can load up my partner, my two kids in a car seats with two Labradors on a bike. Especially in a major city that can get a ton of snow in winter. Also we do long trips from Colorado to Upstate NY once or twice a year.

      We do our part biking or walking when we can. Will be super excited when my little one can ride a bike

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      • MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Snow is such a huge obstacle to bicycles, that’s why you only get bicycle culture in warm and sunny places, like Norway.

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      • pdqcp@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨22⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Cargo bikes are great for kids too, you can see it in their faces as it brightens up with all the new things they get to interact with instead of being bored in the back of the car

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    • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      the r*ddit fuckcars certainly took the name literally

      But it didn’t? It would regularly get people who are into their project cars or whatever come in and people would be quite friendly. Because the vast majority of that subreddit understood that the point of the movement is about systemic change and car culture, not about individual cars.

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      • postnataldrip@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        Very anecdotal I know, but that certainly wasn’t my experience, I’d regularly see near-militant comments to anything even remotely suggesting cars had a place, as well as outright trolling or brigading of other subs. If I was just unlucky that’s cool, but it did seem pretty consistent.

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  • Paddzr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Yet the actual movement can be very extreme in their messaging.

    I love bikes, I’ve spent my youth on them. But that place is just bunch of sad cunts circle jerking 80% of the time.

    Its what antiwork And all these other type of places always ends up being… The most passionate drive out the by standers.

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    • MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Its what antiwork And all these other type of places always ends up being… The most passionate drive out the by standers.

      Antiwork was founded by someone who genuinely wants to not have a job at all, and they got kicked out by a bunch of moderates who took over the community with milder messaging.

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      • JcbAzPx@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Unpopular opinion, but I think people should be able to choose not to work even if they weren’t born rich. Certainly, they should expect a lower standard of living, but they should be able to live just fine and not have that ability held hostage to force them to do labor.

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  • Zagorath@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Well, it’s a little more than just “bike or scooter is way better downtown”. It’s that car-centric infrastructure as a whole makes biking or walking dangerous and inconvenient, and public transport expensive and inconvenient. It’s that the sharp divide between “downtown” and “the suburbs” which means that a statement like @Godric@lemmy.world’s, which sort of implies “bikes are great downtown, but cars are better elsewhere” (even if godric didn’t intend that, it’s certainly a valid way to interpret their comment) is making an allowance for cars that things should be designed for them elsewhere, when actually trams and bikes worked great in small towns before we started designing everything for cars.

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    • jimmux@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yeah, but fuckcars is also a venting space so I didn’t want to get into technicalities. There are urbanist communities that do a better job of presenting the bigger picture.

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