Comment on Chances for the fediverse? Elon Musk takes hit as Europeans ditch X in droves

No1ButtMe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

• tfm@europe.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  I also hate when people think an echo chamber is something inherently bad. Everything is an echo chamber. Your family, your friends, your local gaming community, your workplace. An echo chamber only becomes a problem when bad actors take control.

  Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, or even Google. They give a shit about your wellbeing, as long as they profit.

  Echo chambers are okay, no even necessary to stay mentally sane, as long as people share their honest takes without large scale agendas and manipulation.

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  • partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Echo chambers are okay, no even necessary to stay mentally sane, as long as people share their honest takes without large scale agendas and manipulation.

    You’re using a different definition of “echo chamber” than I’ve ever heard of. What you’re describing is groups of people sharing opinions that can differ with one another in good faith discussion. If differing views are being introduced its, by definition, not an echo chamber.

    An echo chamber is when only one set of opinions are voiced, and all responses are in support of that opinion, hence the “echo” portion of the term.

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    • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      What you’re describing is groups of people sharing opinions that can differ with one another in good faith discussion.

      The problem is, this is what fashies consider an “echo chamber”. The definition itself is not applied in good faith by certain cohorts. For example, people having good-faith debates are “liberal” echo chambers, because not toeing the alt-right fascist line is never considered to be good faith.

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      • partial_accumen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The problem is, this is what fashies consider an “echo chamber”. The definition itself is not applied in good faith by certain cohorts.

        Fashies also have vastly different perverted definitions for all kinds of things like “freedom” and “peace”, but I’m not adopting their definitions of those either. I’m not sure where you’re going with this unless you’re saying @tfm@europe.pub is a fascist, but I don’t think you are saying that.

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    • tfm@europe.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      If we are throwing around big words, we have to be precise though.

      Echo chambers always existed and we are in them all the time. A few hundreds or thousands years ago, we lived in small groups. Those definitely had different opinions, but overall had the same values. Those were echo chambers. Now, where those bad? No, you want people to be in line on foundational topics.

      But if you start to manipulate these opinions on the ground level, you’re going to divide people.

      Global warming? Is it really that bad? Migrants? Aren’t the stealing our jobs? LGBTQ+? Aren’t they just harassing our kids and women? Hitler? Was he really that bad???

      Do you get what I mean? Echo chambers aren’t the problem. They always existed. It’s the bad influence that turns everything to shit.

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  • elucubra@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Facebook, Twitter, TikTok, or even Google. They give a shit about your wellbeing, as long as they profit. That’s delusional. The try to cater to what will keep you engaged, so that as much of the data you can generate can be milked. That’s like saying that agrobusiness cares about livestock’s wellbeing.

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