No, I don’t expect there to be any ready label for this. In a nutshell:
humans are as much part of life on this planet as everything else. the “killing is wrong” kind of maxims is just plain bullshit, just go watch how other forms of life take care of their sustenance
moral dilemmas show by their existence that pretty much any widespread “morally right” way to behave has it’s limits, yet those limits are somehow “omitted” from most sources that are supposed to teach people what is good and what is bad
also, “good” and “bad” do not actually exist: you can vaporise whole Earth and rest of the universe won’t even notice
still there is a vivid difference between a kind soul attending to a garden a feeding stray cats and dogs who happen to come by and an idiot torturing kittens in front of their mother just for fun, even seeing these situations produces very different experiences. Substitute humans here with animals and appropriate behaviour, the difference will still stand. So there is some kind of “this is in line with how all life longs to be”, “that is not how mature and balanced living creatures operate”, but I have no clue even what level to look at to find that difference
TLDR: So morality doesn’t exist, killing is ok, the way we teach morality to people is too simple, only physical reality matters, and actually there is a morality it’s kind of going along with a good nature balance and it’s sorta nuanced? Gotta feel it in your gut ya know? Anyway I haven’t researched any philosophy or study of ethics.
That is a word salad I could support, as dbtng already said:)
Ok, but seriously, I studied only a bit of philosophy and no ethics, and the question of discerning between objective reality and subjective observer can keep us occupied for many lifetimes, so no use in trying do dive deeper
If you’re willing to write it off, then I’d say you’re saying your position is equally dismissed. So cool, it’s great to say we can ignore you and dismiss your edgelord take, something I fully intend to do.
Still in support. Reality is an illusion. Tuesdays, doubly so. A comet could wipe us all, and nothing will have essentially changed. Morals are power structures. Meaning is where you find it, because you are what brings meaning. This perspective doesn’t need a label. It’s what … is.
Thank you :)
And maybe it is not. If reality is an illusion and I am only dreaming, why can’t I dream myself immortal and stop getting so sleepy in the evenings already. But yeah, a comet could wipe us all and meaning only exists in the mind of observer, this is a hill I can joyfully die on
I appreciate you giving me your candid opinion. I find some of it fascinating, from the perspective that you’re not just subscribing to some brand of nihilism or whatever.
I do agree with some of it, from a lay persons perspective. I’m no philosopher and I’m certain someone might be much more qualified to tell you all about the origins of your belief. Like you talk about some simple coping strategies like, “good and bad being inconsequential when compared to an infinitely large universe.” These are just copes we develop to reconcile the brutal nature of the world.
Getting back to morality, i think, the more we are separated from the “bad thing” that happened the harder it is to apply a moral framework around it and even if you did, trying to teach that framework on a scale that will reach everyone is mostly impossible.
So end of the day we are still just picking battles, which is usually just harm reduction.
Well, trying to teach others to think like me is not something I will attempt: in the end, what I have come to think about anything is just a result of my biography, there is no point in trying to imprint it onto other people. And for the coping part, two things:
the world was before me, will be after me. If I get wounded by how it is, that’s on me
I am not talking about good and bad being inconsequential, I am talking of them not existing as actual reality, same way words do not exist as reality: they mean what they mean only because some people agreed on it. There is nothing to cope with
Shanmugha@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
No, I don’t expect there to be any ready label for this. In a nutshell:
also, “good” and “bad” do not actually exist: you can vaporise whole Earth and rest of the universe won’t even notice
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
TLDR: So morality doesn’t exist, killing is ok, the way we teach morality to people is too simple, only physical reality matters, and actually there is a morality it’s kind of going along with a good nature balance and it’s sorta nuanced? Gotta feel it in your gut ya know? Anyway I haven’t researched any philosophy or study of ethics.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
That is a word salad I could support, as dbtng already said:)
Ok, but seriously, I studied only a bit of philosophy and no ethics, and the question of discerning between objective reality and subjective observer can keep us occupied for many lifetimes, so no use in trying do dive deeper
agent_nycto@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you’re willing to write it off, then I’d say you’re saying your position is equally dismissed. So cool, it’s great to say we can ignore you and dismiss your edgelord take, something I fully intend to do.
dbtng@eviltoast.org 3 weeks ago
Still in support. Reality is an illusion. Tuesdays, doubly so. A comet could wipe us all, and nothing will have essentially changed. Morals are power structures. Meaning is where you find it, because you are what brings meaning. This perspective doesn’t need a label. It’s what … is.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Thank you :) And maybe it is not. If reality is an illusion and I am only dreaming, why can’t I dream myself immortal and stop getting so sleepy in the evenings already. But yeah, a comet could wipe us all and meaning only exists in the mind of observer, this is a hill I can joyfully die on
Clinicallydepressedpoochie@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I appreciate you giving me your candid opinion. I find some of it fascinating, from the perspective that you’re not just subscribing to some brand of nihilism or whatever.
I do agree with some of it, from a lay persons perspective. I’m no philosopher and I’m certain someone might be much more qualified to tell you all about the origins of your belief. Like you talk about some simple coping strategies like, “good and bad being inconsequential when compared to an infinitely large universe.” These are just copes we develop to reconcile the brutal nature of the world.
Getting back to morality, i think, the more we are separated from the “bad thing” that happened the harder it is to apply a moral framework around it and even if you did, trying to teach that framework on a scale that will reach everyone is mostly impossible.
So end of the day we are still just picking battles, which is usually just harm reduction.
Shanmugha@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Thank you for the reply :)
Well, trying to teach others to think like me is not something I will attempt: in the end, what I have come to think about anything is just a result of my biography, there is no point in trying to imprint it onto other people. And for the coping part, two things:
dbtng@eviltoast.org 3 weeks ago
You obviously know that most people won’t understand you. I feel ya. People don’t understand me either.