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• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

  If you read a bit further it even says how it originated in industrial revolution Britain and happened all over the world.

  Industrial Britian had an enormous activist labor movement. A slew of left wing thinkers and agitators emerged from the British academic scene, including Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Ghandi.

  I’m not asking about socialist or social democratic or labour movement policies in capitalist countries

  How are you defining “Capitalist Country” if you ignore all the socialist policies a country has implemented?

  Hell, how do you define Socialist Country, if you exclude every one that’s undergone Capitalist accumulation?

  8-hour work week is a socialist policy, espoused by socialist parties and implemented in governments with socialist majorities. Same with pensions and other public retirement funds.

  The more socialists you have setting policy, the shorter your work week and the earlier your retirement.

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  • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Industrial Britian had an enormous activist labor movement. A slew of left wing thinkers and agitators emerged from the British academic scene, including Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Ghandi.

    Yeah because of how mega capitalist it was

    How are you defining “Capitalist Country” if you ignore all the socialist policies a country has implemented?

    Worker ownership of means of production, usually. Let’s say Eastern Block, China, you get the picture.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Yeah because of how mega capitalist it was

      Capital accumulation is a predicate for the surpluses needed to build a socialist economy.

      Worker ownership of means of production, usually.

      Public pensions and union shops lay claim to the surplus profits of capital. The UK’s union membership peaked in the 1970s, as did its wages/pensions. After Thatcher, that share declined rapidly, as did the supply of council housing, the access to public health care and education, and the various other amenities common to socialist economies.

      Let’s say Eastern Block, China, you get the picture.

      The maoist uprising against the landlords was the largest and most comprehensive proletarian revolution in history, and led to almost totally-equal redistribution of land among the peasantry

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      Don’t get much more “worker ownership of means of production” than that.

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      • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        You’re not really giving any actual examples of automation shortening the work week in socialist countries here, unless a socialist country for you is the UK in the 70’s and unless automation for you is a maoists uprising against landlords.

        Don’t you have at least some examples fitting the actual claim?

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