They will use your help to get themselves in a position to fuck you over. Again. How in the fuck have you not learned this yet ?
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mspencer712@programming.dev 3 days ago(Apologies to parent, this is something I’ve been itching to say, but the parent isn’t the problem I’m discussing.)
They will clap because it makes them feel good. It makes them feel good because they think we don’t respect them, that we celebrate their losses (in the Laslow’s Hierarchy sense, not the political sense) and that we don’t want to lift them up with us.
So yeah, we have differences. (Stay with me for a bit.) They think a foul in basketball is something you’re allowed to do a certain number of times and then you have to stop. We think a foul in basketball is something you Should Not Do.
Is the solution more hate for the people who got duped by Trump’s team? Yeah they got played. Yeah they have cognitive dissonance. Yeah they’re on Facebook too much, fed poison by an algorithm that optimizes for engagement (you know, happy, horny, angry, anything except writing letters or volunteering or registering to vote). That’s no reason to hate them.
Help them. Love them. Even if there’s no internet points in it for you. (Certainly none for me because I’m usually a crappy communicator.)
imrighthere@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
mspencer712@programming.dev 3 days ago
Which “They”? The voters or the politicians?
CalipherJones@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Politicians come from the voters. We have ilk like Trump running this country because this country is filled with ilk.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 days ago
Hey I really appreciate you and up voted your post.
However as I’ve come to understand it, fouls in basketball are very much used strategically by every team to stop the clock when they’re behind. So unless the rules are changed, I would agree with the maga that some fouls can be done a few times. Because that’s basketball, and not the future of our country.
MangoCats@feddit.it 3 days ago
Basketball is a bad analogy. Life is not a game played for points where the “loser” is the one with just one less point than the “winner.”
I would lean in more on bankruptcy. Bankruptcy should not be used as a strategy in business: run 10 risky businesses and bankrupt 9 of them to stem your losses while getting lucky with the 10th. In one sense, your creditors are fools for continuing to deal with you after you have demonstrated a pattern of serial bankruptcy, but that doesn’t stop the harm you are doing to all the creditors of your bankrupt business (like: unpaid employees, suppliers, etc.) who didn’t get a whole lot of option to not do business with you, or opportunity to research your credibility before accepting your promises to pay.
Sociopaths would say: it’s a clearly precedented legal maneuver, it’s “smart business” to take advantage of bankruptcy laws, screw the creditors, they took a risk and it didn’t work out for them. I would say that bankruptcy laws need to become more aggressive about protecting creditors from harm, especially when dealing with “fake people” corporations.
mspencer712@programming.dev 3 days ago
Thank you. I stole that from Philip (I think) in Off To Be the Wizard by Scott Meyer. He was describing that book’s antagonist but I’ve taken it to describe people who casually break rules to get ahead.
And I think that’s kind of what they’re doing, flooding social media with stories of how they broke rules in ways that make me go “foul! That’s a foul! Why is the ref doing nothing? This breaks my brain and I have no idea how to respond to this!”
Deceptichum@quokk.au 3 days ago
Centrists are all about holding hands with Nazis.
Fuck that, bash their heads. You want to lessen their impact? Lessen their numbers.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Centrism just got appropriated by the far-right, to push the overton window to the right, that’s all. Got a few actually centrist friends, they repeatedly get called “radical communists” for wanting to tax the rich.
Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 3 days ago
A big reason to hate them is because they’re racist, hate filled shit bags. You are giving them too much benefit of the doubt. Any experience I’ve had where I try to help them in good faith has always been left with me realizing they were acting in bad faith only and know better, they just have the agenda of furthering white nationalism. So no, I will not give magats any quarter. It has nothing to do with internet points btw. This site doesn’t have karma to create some false hierarchy, who the fuck cares about upvotes and downvotes
mspencer712@programming.dev 3 days ago
No I know you’re being genuine.
So this is going to sound really weird, because I think you’re talking about the experience of debating troll farm accounts - understandably really frustrating - but I’m talking about the people, the voters, the weird family members you can’t talk about politics with any longer. (I have some of those - they’re in rural Illinois while I’m in blue-dot Omaha, I love them very much, and I absolutely hate that we can’t talk politics any more.)
But I think you need to give them more sympathy. (The IRL humans, not the online trolls.) The worst of them grew up in a system where they only see minorities as risks, because (a) brains look for patterns, for free, factory firmware, and (b) they don’t realize evil people set things up long ago so that minorities had things on Hard Mode. And maybe © fighting against your factory defaults takes work and practice.
Like, because TLOU is back on TV I’ll share something uncomfortable. S01E03 was really uncomfortable for me to watch. I was a nerdy kid, teased for being gay in high school when I was not and am not gay. So I have some homophobia I haven’t gotten rid of yet. I’m trying. But I still look away whenever men kiss. My wife doesn’t love that part about me, but she still loves me.
Do you give up on me because my journey isn’t complete there? Am I to be hated because I look away, lumped in with the people who vote against gay rights? Clearly not. Mostly because I’m clearly making an effort.
Some people who voted for Trump don’t wear red hats. They were on the fence and they went one way and not the other. And I promise they’re not the people you’re tired of debating. They deserve your positive thoughts. Don’t let the troll farms steal those thoughts. Please.
Fingolfinz@lemmy.world 3 days ago
The people I’m referring to are fanily members and people who I thought was close to. The people I’m talking about are people like my mom. I don’t give a shit about strangers and wouldn’t base my experiences off those interactions
mspencer712@programming.dev 3 days ago
That’s got to be a nightmare. I’m really sorry to hear that, and I appreciate you sharing.
I can’t think of any ways to rephrase that, that don’t sound empty or performative. You sent my thoughts towards my own parents. I’m sorry for your pain.