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OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 2 days agoYou’re correct, but in the end those same tankies are also the ones that want a fascist state because they’re basically a capitalist state on the brink of collapse – a good ground for revolution that tankies wish for.
This would not have happened if democrats had true back bone and a moral structure beyond being the slightly less insane alternative to republicans, until now, where republicans have shifted to radicalism, either knowing that democrats don’t have much fight or allying internally with democrats, allowing for this take over to start from the roots and corrupt it way down the chain
This was inevitable with the system USA is built on top of, you only deny the inevitable by 4-8 years if democrats had won, preserving the status quo and begrudgingly agreeing to public protests to not suffer what essentially happened now. Which they failed, because they were begrudgingly doing so.
Objection@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
This is the dumbest shit ever and not what we believe. Y’all don’t ever listen to the things we actually say, you just make shit up and repeat it to each other until it becomes accepted as obviously true, regardless of any basis in reality.
A fascist state is not “good ground for revolution.” There have been many far-right states that have successfully hunted down and exterminated the left and survived for quite a long while. And the conditions in the US are such that in an armed conflict the right would obviously have a major advantage. Should conditions decline, it’s far more likely that we’d have a right-wing revolution than a left-wing one.
The problem is that conditions are declining under both Republicans and Democrats. Neither party offers any possibility of actually halting or reversing the decline, or averting any of the many, many crises, some of which are looming and some of which are actively happening. Liberals are fully content to accept this state of affairs for some reason - they just want a more gradual decline which will still lead to crises, the far-right gaining strength and power, and the complete extermination of the left and vulnerable populations. As long as that gets pushed back 5 or 10 years, perfectly acceptable to them, and worth sacrificing any attempts to actually fix the problems - which is what us “tankies” would prefer to happen.
If I were an “accelerationist,” looking to bring about a fascist state on the bizarre logic that it would somehow be “good ground” for a left-wing revolution, then why would I have a problem with either side? Conditions will continue to decline regardless of whether a Democrat or Republican is in charge. What, am I just so impatient that I couldn’t wait a few more years? If that’s what I believed, I’d just disengage from politics and not give a shit what happens, confident in the fact that the inevitable decline will bring about socialism, somehow. Doesn’t really seem worth the effort.
Unfortunately, this “accelerationist” concept doesn’t actually track with history. People have lived - and do, currently live in worse conditions than we have in the US, often for generations. Slavery persisted for centuries, and yes there were slave revolts but they were often disorganized and put down. This idea that bad conditions automatically create successful left-wing revolutions makes no sense to anyone who’s actually capable of thinking beyond a meme level.
OmegaLemmy@discuss.online 1 day ago
can you humor me as to answer these questions, I was going to ask a few questions but I am missing context
Do you support the 50501 movement?
What is the general consensus in Lemmygrad/Hexbear on the actions taken by the liberals in rallies held by Sanders and AOC?
Do you consider ending support for Israel to be step 1 for preventing the far right take over?
Do you believe it is necessary for the EU to end their support to Ukraine, which you consider to be a US funded puppet state formed out of a coup, and make new deals with Russia against the US to combat rising fascism?
What could be a possible path forward for the world to take, not for revolution but to quell far right ideology?
Do you believe that EU is an obstacle for Revolution, or do you believe a similar system to EU without a neo-liberal platform to be ideal?
Would you like to add on more about Tankies/Authleft that is generally misunderstood
Would you like to talk about anything relevant about the previous questions that I missed, and is important to understanding the picture?