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sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

Yes, you can host your own PDS server, that is known and stated.

The entire design of a lemmy instance is meant to be more ‘self contained’, as I already mentioned. This is what enables the federation network to organize in a ‘many to many’ connection style, as opposed to a ‘many to one’.

A lemmy instance roughly has many/most of the capabilities of a PDS, Relay, and AppView… all rolled into one.

This is a fundamental difference of a ‘true’ federation model… all the members of the federation are capable of operating independently.

If you are in a federation of unequals, with built in dependencies… your ‘federation’ is much more like a king with vassal states, not a voluntary association.

Yes, migration of a user account from one instance to another would be complicated… but … so would migrating a user from one PDS to another.

I don’t even know how you could fully ‘migrate away from BlueSky servers’… when BlueSky run the only Relays.

Also, many (most?) actual client apps for viewing lemmy, posting on it, etc… they pretty much hold a lot of your particular user customizations, at least as it comes to visual theming, independently, locally, not even related to the actual user account on an instance you are using.

They also support easy switching between different lemmy user/instance accounts…

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Also also, as far as I am aware… if you have an account on a lemmy instance, you can delete your account and this will wipe out all of that account’s posts and comments across the whole fediverse, aside from modlogs and internet archive web snapshotting type stuff.

I … think you can also export your own data as well?

Not 100% sure on these last two parts, maybe an instance admin or powermod could chime in… but I think this is correct?

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merdaverse@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
They are fundamentally different, the whole ActivityPub federation vs ATProtocol decentralization has been talked to death in technical detail.

Yes, migration of a user account from one instance to another would be complicated… but … so would migrating a user from one PDS to another.

Not true. Bluesky has PDS migration in its design. In ActivityPub it is simply not possible

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- sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  I mean…
  
  ⚠️ Warning ⚠️ ️
  
  Account migration is a potentially destructive operation. Part of the operation involves signing away your old PDS’s ability to make updates to your DID. If something goes wrong, you could be permanently locked out of your account, and Bluesky will not be able to help you recover it.
  
  Therefore, we do not recommend migrating your primary account yet. And we specifically recommend against migrating your main account if you do not understand how PLC operations work.
  
  Also, the Bluesky PDS is not currently accepting incoming migrations (it will in the future). Therefore this is currently a one-way street. If you migrate off of bsky.social, you will not be able to return. However, you will be able to migrate between other PDSs.
  
  This is literally the first thing you see on the page you just linked.
  
  And it was last updated 7 months ago.
  
  So I think you mean to say that account migration in BlueSky is currently in development, and is problematic and essentially experimental, and maybe sometime in the future this will change but also maybe not, who knows.
  
  You are right though that is not possible in ActivityPub.
  
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  - merdaverse@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    That is why I said design and not implemented and perfectly working
    
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    sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
    Yes but you also just said ‘Not true’ when I said ‘migating an account to another PDS would complicated.’
    
    I do grant that I … could be interpereted to have overstated the ability of an ActPub user to migrate instsnces… though I did just say ‘it would be complicated’.
    
    It is arguably complicated, so complicated it is impossible.
    
    And I did try to make it clear that getting into that level of features/capabilities of ActPub, I was not sure, and that perhaps a lemmy mod or admin could clarify.
    
    I am not saying you said this, but the whole problem here is that a lot of BlueSky users and fans consistently keep acting like BlueSky has all these different kinds of capabilities and features now, working currently…
    
    … when at best, they are planned future features, and at worst, they are an intentionally misleading early access video game style roadmap, with a bunch of super enthusiastic but low technical knowledge early adopters who basically are just enthralled by buzzwords and hope… and those fanboys/girls will just be strung along by promises the devs don’t actually plan on ever implementing, because they don’t actually have much incentive to… and then years later the early users will either realize they’ve been duped, or become delusional, hardcore uberfans, bereft of logic and perspective.
    
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