good point I try to initialize None collections to empty collections in the beginning but not guaranteed and len would catch it
Comment on Python Performance: Why 'if not list' is 2x Faster Than Using len()
Artyom@lemm.ee 2 days agoIn my experience, if you didn’t write the function that creates the list, there’s a solid chance it could be None
too, and if you try to check the length of None
, you get an error. This is also why returning None
when a function fails is bad practice IMO, but that doesn’t seem to stop my coworkers.
iAvicenna@lemmy.world 2 days ago
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Sometimes there’s an important difference between
None
and[]
. That’s by far not the most common use, but it does exist (e.g.None
could mean “user didn’t supply any data” and[]
could mean “user explicitly supplied empty data”).If the distinction matters, make it explicit:
if foo is None: raise ValueError("foo must be defined for this operation") if not foo: return None for bar in foo: ... return some_other_value
This way you’re explicit about what constitutes an error vs no data, and the caller can differentiate as well. In most cases though, you don’t need that first check,
if not foo
can probably just returnNone
or use some default value or whatever, and whether it’sNone
or[]
doesn’t matter.if len(foo) == 0:
is bad for a few reasons:TypeError
will be raised if it’sNone
, which is probably unexpected- it’s slower
- it’s longer
If you don’t care about the distinction, handle both the same way. If you do care, handle them separately.
LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Passing None to a function expecting a list is the error…