Comment on Great ATProto blog post on the reasoning behind their design architecture

Zaktor@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Sl00k@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The idea of the Fediverse is simply a group of social networks communicating through the same protocol, is that not what ATProto is attempting to accomplish?

  I’ve been a long time supporter that ATProto actually is apart of the Fediverse. The ultimate goal of this subreddit is a fully decentralized social media landscape. Fracturing discussion between ActivityPub and ATProto helps no one, especially in niche communities like this. The long-term goal is the same, and whether that progression happens on protocol A or platform B it’s progressive nonetheless and we should discuss it.

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  • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    ATProto is not decentralized.

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    • Sl00k@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Would love to know why you think it’s not?

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      • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Because it’s not functional without BSky servers and BSky also controls moderation.

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  • mesamunefire@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    ATProto isnt the same protocol as activityhub which is what we are using to post/communicate between different instances.

    You would argue that its all REST I suppose?

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    • Sl00k@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Instead of being a patronizing ass, how about let’s have some discussion about

      The ultimate goal of this subreddit is a fully decentralized social media landscape.

      And how ATProto is not accomplishing this / what they can be doing differently than what’s outlined in their blog post

      Or a counter argument to

      Fracturing discussion between ActivityPub and ATProto helps no one, especially in niche communities like this.

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      • mesamunefire@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        A community to talk about the Fediverse and all it’s related services using ActivityPub

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  • Zaktor@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Neither this community’s sidebar nor Wikipedia agree with your definition.

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    • Sl00k@programming.dev ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The literal first line of Wikipedia agrees with me?

      The Fediverse (commonly shortened to fedi)[4][5][6] is a collection of social networking services that can communicate with each other (formally known as federation) using a common protocol.

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      • Zaktor@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Read on to literally the next paragraph, which says Diaspora is the only still developed platform that matches the original definition and does not use ActivityPub, or to the section that explicitly calls ATProto a Fediverse alternative.

        The first paragraph is descriptive of the Fediverse, not a test for whether something is part of it. The Internet is a collection of computers communicating via TCP/IP. That doesn’t mean any two computers communicating over TCP/IP are now part of the Internet.

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• Condiment2085@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Wait how is it not the fediverse?

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  • boramalper@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    By “Fediverse” people usually refer to “ActivityPub”-based social networks such as Mastodon and Lemmy.

    People also rightfully argue that Bluesky, despite the best of intentions, is not decentralised. See How decentralized is Bluesky really? (long read).

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  • Zaktor@sopuli.xyz ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The Fediverse is a specific thing. And even if it were just referring to any federated social network, it’s very questionable whether Bluesky really can have independent instances.

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    • airportline@lemm.ee ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The ATProto equivalent of “Fediverse” is Atmosphere.

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      • MITM0@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Or Walled-Garden😅

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