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Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• xx3rawr@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Non-native as well but for me, “female” is an adjective and only used as a noun in technical setting. If used in regular conversation setting, it’s condescending and dehumanizing.

  Good:

  • There are fifteen females in the survey.
  • The female is more aggressive, typical of hyenas.
  • You bought the wrong USB cable, this one is a female.

  Bad:

  • This female is not very good at her job.
  • You females need to tone it down.

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  • Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Also interesting because in German progressive/queer femeist groups use the term

    “Weiblich gelesen” (literal: read female, meaning: assumed to be female)

    If we want to refer to someone who looks like a women by conservative standards but about whom we don’t know if they actually identify as a women.

    “Weib” (degrading term for women derived from the word “weiblich” (female)) on the other hand is considered very rude and only used by conservative/sexist people.

    Just find it interesting which words are differently connotated in which language.

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• MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Female is still an acceptable term in some context: eg, when referring to the social group on a societal level, female can be fine, also for identifying someone’s genetic/biological sex as “female” for medical/official contexts, that’s still okay in most cases.

  Where it’s not okay is to use it on an individual level or to refer to a small group of ladies. The term is seem as cold, clinical, and in some cases, dehumanizing. It comes off as boiling down a person to their function in reproduction and nothing more. “You are the female and you carry children.” Kind of thing. Like women are some kind of bakery for your crotch goblins, and not people worthy of respect.

  But something like “the female population of the country” is fairly okay, since you’re referring to the entirely of the people who identify as female, not an individual or small group of individuals.

  At least, that’s my take. I’m just some guy. If any women want to correct me, I defer to your judgement and opinion, and happily retract any contradictory statements I may have made. I am always happy to be corrected.

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  • Jean_le_Flambeur@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Okay I understand.

    So “books with female protagonists” would be okay (because large group referenced) “Bus with female passengers” would be considered rude, because small group referenced, you would rather say Bus with women and girls as passenger"?

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    • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      More or Less. I would think of it more as a third person direct versus indirect. Third person direct being: referring to a specific set of people, eg, they’re in the room with you, where calling them females would be rude… Third person indirect, where you’re mentioning the concept of that group of people while not citing a specific or present subset of that group, would be rude.

      You’ve made some good examples. Overall I think you understand the concept I was trying to get across.

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• MECHAGODZILLA2@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’ll be real here: no one irl cares, we’re so careless with our language people understand what you mean more by vibes than vocabulary. I’ve not heard a single person take umbrage with female outside of the internet.

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• Warl0k3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Short answer: It’s a turn of phrase the Incel movement popularized as a dehumanizing dogwhistle.

  Long answer: In current American English, “Female” and “Females” are highly formal terms and really are only commonly used in situations like law and clinical literature (this is true of “male” and “males” as well, though there’s much less cultural baggage associated with those terms). People who use them in casual conversation instead of the much more common “Women” (or the diminutive, “Girls”) tend to be the kind of person that uses formal language to emphasize their own superiority over the common masses. Almost invariably this takes the form of explanations about why nobody wants to have sex with them, and it all goes downhill from there.

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