Comment on After 50 million miles, Waymos crash a lot less than human drivers

• Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  So fuck everyone who can’t afford to, or doesn’t want to, live in the city?

  What the hell? Were did you pull that from my comment?

  We need to work to improve public transport everywhere. Switzerland can have timely consistent trains to tiny villages in the fucking alps. We can have it here. We need to push for it though.

  People saying “it doesn’t work for me right now so shut up” are actively harmful to the discussion. They’re choosing to be in a position where it doesn’t work at all (though it doesn’t work well for almost anyone in America outside of DC and NYC). I’m not saying “fuck them” I’m saying “your opinion is not relevant if it’s only complaining about doing better because it’s bad for you right now.”

  Its like saying we shouldn’t go to the moon because it’s hard right now, or we shouldn’t try to develop nuclear fusion technology because it’s hard right now. I don’t care if it’s hard right now. We’re discussing what could/should be.

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  • watty@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Here’s a summary of this thread:

    Guy 1 - why is anyone doing waymo when there’s public transit

    Guy 2 - last mile problem

    Guy 3 - it works great for me in the city surrounded by bus stops, no last mile problem

    Me - it doesn’t work great for me barely outside the city. (My point being that it’ll take a lot to get public transit to within 1 mile of where I am, let alone to someone even further from the city)

    You - you chose to live there so stop complaining

    Me - so fuck me and everyone farther out than me apparently.

    That’s how we got here. I simply stated my situation as it relates to public transit, and you tell me it’s just my own fault and I should shut up.

    We have a long way to go ubiquitous public transit in America. I doubt we will ever get there. It makes sense to consider other options as well.

    I’m saying we should go to the moon AND develop nuclear fusion.

    You want to know what’s harmful to discussion? Pricks like you telling people that their opinion is irrelevant.

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    • Cethin@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think you misunderstood most of what doesn’t agree with you (purposefully or not).

      Waymo is an investment.

      So is public transport.

      One is more effective and better for more people.

      Why are we investing in Waymo?

      You want to know what’s harmful to discussion? Pricks like you telling people that their opinion is irrelevant.

      Your opinion about right now is irrelevant to the discussion of how things should be. It is not irrelevant in a discussion about right now, only this one. Every time public transport is discussed someone like you feels the need to say “it doesn’t work FOR ME (currently)!” OK… I’m not sure why we needed to know that. No one said it was great for everyone right now so you didn’t add anything to the discussion. It only is a distraction from actually trying to fix things for you. Sometimes this is on purpose and sometimes it isn’t. Either way, it’s harmful not helpful.

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      • watty@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Someone mentioned the last mile problem, and someone else responded as if it doesn’t exist. I’m pointing out that it does exist.

        That’s all. Should we pretend like there’s no problem?

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