Comment on YSK that in the US, denaturalization, the process of revoking a person's citizenship, does not require proof "Beyond reasonable doubt"

Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• grue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  At this point I almost wouldn’t mind being deported, if they sent me back to where my ancestors came from (Germany/Poland). Of course, what would actually happen would be getting shipped to that hole in El Salvador instead.

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  • IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    if they sent me back to where my ancestors came from (Germany/Poland)

    Do you have citizenship in those countries?

    Because you might want to learn about statelessness

    I’m not sure if you would get citizenship in those countries just because the US is being autocratic.

    My situation tho: I was born in PRC so I had citizenship in China, but, the moment I obtained US Citizenship, according to PRC law, my PRC citizenship is automatically revoked.

    So if the US denaturalizes me, I’m so fucked lol. (Not to mention, my anti-CCP speech in the US isn’t gonna go well with pooh bear 👀)

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean, if the US stripped my citizenship and deported me to Germany or Poland, obviously I’d be a refugee at that point.

      But again, it wouldn’t ever get to that point because Trump’s ICE gestapo wouldn’t give a shit about what would be best for me and would make deliberately punitive decisions about what to do with me instead.

      Ditto for you, probably: you wouldn’t be headed to China; you’d be headed to CECOT too.

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      • IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        you wouldn’t be headed to China; you’d be headed to CECOT too.

        Same gulag, different flag.

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      • AtariDump@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • Aquila@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Poland has citizenship by ancestors. If one of your grandparents (or maybe great grandparents?) were polish citizens you qualify to apply for citizenship. A number of European countries have options like that

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I looked into that, and I’m fairly sure I don’t qualify (I think most/all of my ancestors immigrated before 1920).

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• 4oreman@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  ok but its litterally a war crime to take away someones citizenship if they only have one

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  • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Trump is detaining European tourists in ICE camps for weeks for the “crime” of holding an incorrect visa (as determined by ICE for volunteering to do chores while staying with a host family).

    I don’t think he cares too much about committing war crimes. He hired Hegseth specifically because he’s a loyalist who’s happy to commit war crimes. The fascists are in charge, and cruelty is the point.

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    • 4oreman@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      what do you think the end game is?

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      • Telorand@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Brain drain, the collapse of public universities that rely on international students (which is probably many), and making tourists, legal residents, and non-natural-born citizens afraid to come or stay here.

        Constantly attacking foreigners will make them leave or never show up, leaving the US a little dumber, a little poorer, making a little less economic/scientific/social progress, and a little more white.

        And it’s that last piece that they’ll trumpet among their propaganda outlets and call it a victory.

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  • IDKWhatUsernametoPutHereLolol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think you mean Internation Laws or Geneva Conventions, not all violations of the aforementioned is a “War Crime”.

    Human Rights Violation would be a better term for what you are describing.

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    • 4oreman@lemy.lol ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      yrah thats right, thanks for the correction

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  • acockworkorange@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is it? Because war crimes are only defined in the context of a war, and I can’t see this scenario of an enemy combatant that is also citizen of the country it’s fighting and had no other citizenship. And even if it is, war crimes are only enforced after the war is over, on the losing side. Not on internal dealings of a country.

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