Comment on 'For too long, Apple has operated a walled garden around its products': The EU forces Apple to open its closed system to third parties

Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

• Bezier@suppo.fi ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Oh no, not more freedom and rights, please no!

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  • jnod4@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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  • Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m not affected by this in the slightest, and I do not think people that buy iOS devices will care about their newfound freedom

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    • Bezier@suppo.fi ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, most Apple users won’t care or even know, and will just keep using whatever is Apple gives them. I don’t see how that’s an issue.

      Meanwhile, people who are at least slightly more informed will benefit from the freedom. Things like this are needed because informed consumers too are getting shafted in about every product category. Voting with your wallet doesn’t work in a market dominated by uninformed consumers.

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      • DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        There are also those of us who like some Apple products but do not buy them because of the walled garden. The EU might improve choices for us too.

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      • Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Voting with your wallet doesn’t work in a market dominated by uninformed consumers.

        … then maybe the people should just get more informed.

        I don’t see how we need to regulate something that doesn’t benefit anyone as everyone is uninformed anyways and probably doesn’t even care?

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    • fxdave@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh they do. They love type-c.

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• Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Companies that do anti-consumer practices shouldn’t think it’s the norm. The more we fuck Apple, the less other companies think that it’s OK to fuck consumers.

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  • Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Companies that do anti-consumer practices shouldn’t think it’s the norm

    Yes, and they would know if people would start voting with their wallets.

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    • Nalivai@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Voting with the wallet is mostly bullshit, it’s a myth corpos are telling people so we regulate them less. They have so much power to inject themselves into human’s lives, make themselves part of your existence. You can for example try to walletvote Microsoft out of your life whatever the fuck you want, while you were trying it, they bought a politician or twelve, and now they’re part of your government, your education system, your military, and your finance sector.
      While democracy still exists, the only way to fight corpos is the governmental power or regulations.

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      • Petter1@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Exactly this! Capitalism without regulation leads to dictatorship of few cooperations that have the power to let you starve, if you not comply.

        How do people not see that?!

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      • Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Voting with the wallet is mostly bullshit

        Disagree completely. It’s the most effective tool we have to control corpos that does not rely on another entity.

        they bought a politician or twelve … the only way to fight corpos is the governmental power or regulations

        So, you yourself say they buy politicians, but in the same sentence, you want the people they are buying to fight their power with regulations?

        Do you see where you went wrong here?

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    • DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The whole point of a walled garden is to stop people (their wallets, really) leaving.

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• Goun@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  This is such a lazy argument, it doesn’t add any kind of value and it shows you don’t care about how other people are treated. Please stop doing this.

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• Ironfist@lemmy.ca ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Except it is that hard because companies collude and work to drive the competition out of business.

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• ChokingHazard@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I completely agree with you. So many phones are business tools. Forcing your employer to use the App Store is good. Side loading fly by night bullshit is a risk and lack of oversight the world just doesn’t need. If you want that stuff get an android.

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• prototype_g2@lemmy.ml ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You say that until Google realises that there is no other viable alternative and so they can do the same thing since it’s not like there is another option.

  I know you ca try and install other OSes, but that isn’t an option for many, as many manufacturers make acquiring root access impossible.

  You answer is basically a big “go fuck yourself” to everyone who bought an iphone before they knew about the things Apple did to keep users looked in. Same goes for the acquiring root access on an android phone.

  People are not born with knowledge.

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  • Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You say that until Google realises that there is no other viable alternative and so they can do the same thing since it’s not like there is another option.

    Not entirely. I’m fairly sure that, if google decides to lock down pixel devices, the graphene team would evaluate other devices that are more open. The reason they recommend pixels is because they are open, not because they are big google fans. Graphene DOES run on other devices aswell, it’s just not officially tested or supported. And there are other devices with unlockable bootloaders, most noteably older oneplus devices and fairphones.

    You answer is basically a big “go fuck yourself” to everyone who bought an iphone before they knew about the things Apple did to keep users looked in

    No, my answer is a big “go fuck yourself” to everyone who voluntarily decides to stick with apple devices despite knowing of their practices. Let’s be honest for just one second: Barely any consumer is so tied into an operating system that it would prevent them from switching. What do most people do with their phones? Listen to music, have a messenger, maybe check emails, browsing - that’s it. And you can do that on any other phone. The amount of people that are apple power users that use applications that only exist in the apple ecosystem is abysmal and largely irrelevant in this discussion.

    Same goes for the acquiring root access on an android phone. People are not born with knowledge.

    True. Neither was I. But in 2025, we have the internet and you can read up on almost anything imagineable. If I wanted to learn about astrophysics, I could find plenty of videos or resources about it. If I want to learn about japanese history during the sengoku period, there are a lot of resources about that. And if I want to learn how to unlock the bootloader of a phone and install a custom rom, not surprisingly, there are resources for that.

    This “People are not born with knowledge” argument is so stupid - nobody is born with it, the problem is just that most people are too lazy to learn about their possibilites to break free from oppressing corporate conglomerates. And THAT’S something I have an issue with.

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    • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Graphene works on the OnePlus, I’m not a developer so I haven’t tried anything in changing the Os. And pixels problem is with the obsession with Gemini AI and the exonys chip they are using that drains the battery

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      • Realitaetsverlust@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s not officially tested anymore tho - they’ve recently updated their supported devices section. Stuff like the fairphone, which was supported once, also are no longer in the list.

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