Oof. It seems that most of the users simply don’t care.
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cannedtuna@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
This is a very well written an thorough article and I highly recommend reading it. If you don’t want to however, here is a summary of the key points:
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- Brendan Eich donated to anti-LGBT political organizations, politicians, and initiatives such as CA Prop 8 which was a proposed ban on same-sex marriages.
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- Brave promised to replace ads with privacy friendly ads that would actually pay publishers and even users with a volatile cryptocurrency while keeping a cut for themselves. This never actually came to life and was criticized as “blatantly illegal”.
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- Brave collected donations for popular content creators without actually involving or seeking consent from said creators. In short they accepted donations in crypto for creators, but would only pay out if it reached a minimum value of $100. When called out, Brave said refunds were impossible.
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2020 — Brave injects referral links when visiting crypto wallets
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- Brave injected their own referral links for services such as Binance without informing users or asking permission.
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- Brave turned their home screen image rotator into a place to serve ads, many of which were suspicious or crypto related.
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- Brave added a Tor feature which exposed users DNS requests
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- Brave refuses to disclose their crawler bot to websites since many websites want to block Brave Search. Brave will only chose not to crawl a website if it also blocks Google’s crawler.
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2024 - So-called “privacy browser” deprecated advanced fingerprinting protection
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- Brave removed a the Strict, Block Fingerprinting privacy feature from their browser.
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- Brave paid for targeted ads for users searching for Firefox in the Play Store and ran a campaign to “Forget the Fox”. When called out on this the VP publicly denied it and claimed it was photo-shopped.
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- The VP of Brave, Luke Mulks, frequently posts about all things crypto, from NFTs to FTX, and uses AI-gen images to promote them. He also frequently re-tweets right-wing activists.
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- Brendan Eich’s feed also frequently contains right-wing content and Republican propaganda despite his claims to be “independent”.
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nokturne213@sopuli.xyz 5 weeks ago
Every time I mention that brave is a bad choice that is basically the response I get.
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Every time someone uses Brave, I know I can ignore their opinion. They’re either a useful moron who is too dumb to look around them, or they support every single one of these things.
It’s no wonder why 4chan’s /g/ loves Brave.
mke@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
Might be nicer if they just didn’t care.
Check the comment section for the video version of this article by Niccolò, or the comment section of the post on r/browsers, or the replies whenever these issues are mentioned on Twitter, and so on, and you’ll find a bunch of brave people saying stuff like:
you unintentionally just made me like brave over firefox. now i can switch to a chromium based browser and not even feel bad about it
Yes i am installing Brave after this advertisment!
Thanks to this video I deleted Brave then redownloaded it
These were taken directly from the video. Throw in also some “stop inserting politics (that I don’t like) into tech” comments, and a few homophobes not even trying to hide it.
I don’t think every Brave user is a cunt, but fucking hell, are cunts seemingly attracted to Brave.
To folks bothered by this: know that the lead developer of Ladybird is also a big fan of Brendan Eich.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
I don’t care about the personal life of the CEO, and I don’t care about crypto, and everything else is a giant pile of nothing. Ads in the home screen? Like who gives a shit??
eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
So the CEO of the company funding Prop 8 to overturn gay marriage is nothing? Stealing from the creators it claimed to be funding?
Good to know that’s where you stand.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
As long as his personal life doesn’t influence the product, I’ll just throw him on the pile with all the other Nazi supporting CEOs. which is most of them.
Tristus@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I don’t use Brave as my main browser but I think some of the accusations are not fair.
- TOR Feature. I don’t think it was deliberately done. Similarly Firefox revealed your up address even if you used VPN while using. As long as there was no malicious intent we can’t say anything other than that they software has big bugs.
- Yes, it is questionable what they do for getting money but same can be said for most donations or schemes that FOSS use. There was long discussions about the money Mozilla receives from Google, or things Opera did (basically similar to Brave)
- Getting news from right wing is useful if you ever need to do research, I had a course in uni about anti-islam and getting really right wings news was difficult. We all knew the same 2 sites.
- The political opinion of the CEO is concerning but not important enough. In that case I’m wholly on the same boat as the developer of the Factorio, if Hitler were to make good Browsers I’d use them.
- It is also important to note most of the problems are in the past. Sure it means there are likely a lot we could not find and it is annoying to use a product where they would exploit you if they are given a chance.
That said Brave is still #1 Browser I’d recommend someone installing. If I can I’d install Firefox myself, but on the phone it is what I recommend. I don’t trust my uncle to install Firefox and install uBlock etc. on top of it. But I trust him to install Brave and use it.
Most privacy minded Browsers like Libre Wolf have restrictions, like not enabling WebRTC out of the box, meaning using Zoom, Meet etc is not possible. There are people who are forced to use such software and not able to tweak with config files. Some people think just because they can do it, everybody should be able to. I think it is a good choice to recommend to people, very good in place replacement for Chrome, you can even take your bookmarks and addons with you
noxypaws@pawb.social 5 weeks ago
Prop 8 was not merely proposed, it was approved by voters and actually banned same-sex marriage for several years before it was ruled unconstitutional.
Brendan Eich contributed to the actual banning of same-sex marriage in California for several years.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Corrected the mistake, thanks.
noxypaws@pawb.social 5 weeks ago
Thank you!