That’s not really relevant here. This is more of a “genie is out of the bottle and now we have to learn how to deal with it situation”. The idea and technology of bots and AI training already exists. There’s no socioeconomic system that is going to magically make that go away.
nothing can be improved while capitalism exists; all improvement will be seized and used to oppress.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
revv@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I think the point you’re missing is that without the monetary incentive that arises under capitalism, there would be very little drive for anyone to build these wasteful AI systems. It’s difficult to imagine a group of people voluntarily amassing and then using the resources necessary for “AI” absent the desire to cash in on their investment. So you’re correct that an alternative economic system won’t “magically” make LLMs go away. I think it unlikely, however, that such wasteful nonsense would be used on any meaningful scale absent the perverse incentives of capitalism.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It’s difficult to imagine a group of people voluntarily amassing and then using the resources necessary for “AI” absent the desire to cash in on their investment.
I mean Dmitry Pospelov was arguing for AI control in the Soviet Union clear back in the 70s.
Val@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
Just another way the state capitalist soviet union was closer to capitalism than socialism.
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I don’t need it to not exist. I need it to stay the fuck out of everyone’s lives unless they work in a lab of some kind.
desktop_user@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
everyone remembers tomogatchi, they were like a digital houseplant.
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
cool, but where do you get them?
doodledup@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lost on Lemmy?
limer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
He is not wrong. Unless people start to take steps , the dependency of tech will be used to chain most of us. Granted, these chains will be the kindest and gentlest chains seen in a long time.
Social revolution lives on in decentralized services, like this; the true battles will be later though. This year is a mild warm up. I can’t imagine the challenges that await many
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
no, responding to a post about exactly that thing.
QuarterSwede@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The problem you aren’t recognizing is that, until humans are no longer driven by self preservation, there will always be oppression in any system. They all have and will continue to breakdown. It’s easy to blame capitalism but even socialist systems eventually cave under the weight of greed and power. We are the problem mon frère.
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
there will always be complications, sure. PERFECT may not be achievable.
but we can’t have GOOD, we can’t have DECENT, we can’t have OKAY until the last owner is strangled with the entrails of the last enforcer.
morrowind@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
How can authority not exist? That’s staggeringly broad
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
given what domains we’re hosted on; i think we’ve both had a version of this conversation about a thousand times, and both ended up where we ended up. do you want us to explain hypothetically-at-but-mostly-past each other again? I can do it while un-sober, if you like.
morrowind@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
I… Don’t think I’ve heard anyone claim authority shouldn’t exist.
Val@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
So here’s a little bit of lemmy lore for you. You’re instance lemmy.ml is considered to be a tankie instance by some users. lemmy.dbzer0.com is an anarchist instance. The user you responded to probably made a generalisation based on this and assumed you were familiar with anarchist/communist/socialist/leftist discourse. From this comment I assume they were wrong.
So on behalf of no-one but myself: Hello! Welcome to Anarchism! The belief that authority should not exist. This belief comes from a lot of different places and wears a lot of different faces. Most short explanations aren’t sufficient and long explanation bore most. If you don’t mind a little learning here is a link: anarchistfaq.org/afaq/sectionA.html#seca1 and another one crimethinc.com/…/feature-the-secret-is-to-begin-g… or if you like videos: youtu.be/lrTzjaXskUU.
Also a little bit about authority: people use authority to mean many things (this is even bought up in the video I linked above). But as far as anarchists are concerned (in general (no specific statement can be made about a group so vast)) authority is the act of coercing people to follow orders or commit involuntary acts. You’re boss can coerce you to neglect your health by threatening to fire you. Your government can force you to obey gender roles by threatening to jail you. A rich person can make you do whatever demeaning thing they want by dangling money in front of you (for reference see mrbeast) because otherwise your landlord will kick you out. This is authority and it is wrong. Those in authority can make mistakes, become greedy and start to think they have the power to do whatever they want (mostly because they can). This leads to suffering. My meaning of life is to minimise suffering. Anarchy is the belief that no-one should hold power over others. That all leadership should be scrutinised. It rejects blind faith in single people and encourages to think for yourself so no-one can do you wrong. And if you can’t be bothered, it encourages you to find people who genuinely care about you and let them stand up for you.
melpomenesclevage@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
glad to offer you a new experience.