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You: it’s because of leftists and muslims and communist and santa maybe batman too.

Way to subtly change the subject and optics. Why don’t you focus on the fact that the United States is currently aiding and supporting a genocide that has been unfolding for the last 70 years? I’m not american and I would have voted for Harris if I was one, but you are disgraceful for using minorities like tokens you can use and throw as you please, I’m quite certain that even if all of them voted for Harris, trump would still have been elected due to your f***** up gerrymandering policy. Putting the blame on hundreds of thousands and not on the millions of apolitical voters is MAGA level nonsense.

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PointyReality@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Please point out where in my post I said that their vote would have even caused a flip in the election results, there was a group that withheld their vote in protest (not the ones that simply did not vote). So I will say there is no evidence I can produce that they voted for Trump, but the chance of none existing is not zero either. So yes I would like to talk to one of those voters or non-voters in protest to better understand why they initially thought a withholding of their vote in the first place when the worse option was clearly the other option should the election go one way in light of the current votes.

Understanding what went wrong at all levels, and those protesting and withholding their votes was part of that issue. So cannot and should not be ignored if we are to learn from this for the future.

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- GreyAlien@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  I’m sorry but in this context, under this specific post, you do not seem genuine or honest from my POV, if you are truly interested in my opinion you will find it in this thread.
  
  What else is there to say if not than the democrats have pushed for the ostracism of their own base to pander to their donors, failed to reach a majority of the population due to a baseless political program…?
  
  Keep on poking, acting all virtuous, and generalizing the minority yet most activist part of your voter base… I mean wake me up when the democrats do the next protest, I wouldn’t want to miss such a rare occurrence, and oh my… The cardboard are so creative…
  
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rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
WELL, it’s worth discussing that leading up to the 2024 US General Election there was a bit of a bizarre alliance between global leftists and MAGA when it comes to media and information warfare.

For completely opposite reasons each, of course. MAGA thought Trump was going to take the US to being the next level of Imperialist superpower. Global leftists thought Trump was going to destroy the US’s power and influence and end the era of the US being the world’s sole superpower.

Only time will tell who was correct. Right now it looks like the global leftists were right - the US’s influence is rapidly deteriorating, and it may never recover.

Trump is looking like a big global leftist win in taking down the US - at the cost of many Palestinian lives. And maybe this was the trolley dilemma, with millions of Palestinians on one track, and billions of people on the other. Can we accuse leftists of being the ones to flip the switch? No, but leftists absolutely argued in favor of flipping the switch to trump and the downfall of America, at the cost of many Palestinian lives.

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- GreyAlien@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  You are right that it is necessary to have this conversation but is it the right place to do it under this particular post ?
  
  Also even if I totally understand your point of view and could definitely debate about it, something is bothering me, where does the democratic party errors comes into play? Why put all the blames on a minor part of the voter base? If we look at hard numbers the chances of Kamala winning were still extremely low even if she won their votes so it’s seem pointless for me to always keep poking the wounds under any post with a mention of Palestinians.
  
  My point is that we should be going forward and not ostracizing a part of the voter base even more, these are hard times ahead of us and uniting is what I think the only solution, some Pro-Palestinians may have not voted or even voted for trump but we need to remember that if they are (rightly) angry it’s because they have been failed, I cannot fathom how one must feel seeing dozens of corpses everyday that looks like them for more than a year while knowing their taxes go towards the ones doing it.
  
  It’s a duty to reconcile the voter base and create a strong front against fascism worldwide.
  
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  - rocket_dragon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    Global leftists want the fall of America
    
    Global leftists advocate for the fall of America
    
    America starts falling
    
    People suffer because America is calling
    
    It’s going to be difficult for global leftists to find a willingness for solidarity and cooperation with the suffering people, who feel like their suffering was the goal. But with a lot of creativity, might be possible.
    
    Now for sure, people were already suffering under Capitalism previously, but leftists are basically pitching the same " it has to get worse so it can get better" story as Elon Musk.
    
    Now if leftists had backed Kamala, and Trump won, suffering people would be flocking to the left, instead of blaming them.
    
    So… Sucks.
    
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    Ilixtze@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    You are writing fanfiction here, I don’t think any serious leftist wants things to go sour for the US. As a leftist from outside the USA i often warn that the moment America crumbles we will all be struck by the sharpnell. If you take up some actual leftist literature, say some Noam Chomsky, some Baudrillard, some Felix Guattari, the overall feeling is " the contradictions of capitalism will mount and things will get considerably worse. " a lot of them suggest ideas on how to prevent these maladies, I’d recommend Guattari’s “Cartographies of desire” but sadly the USA seems like is on it’s full speed on course to ruin: facism in it’s government going progressively shameless, the over finatialization of it’s economy, the fact that political division and misinformation has been a strategy to undermine democracy used by both political parties, Oligarchy being so eager to turn “feudal” and several crisis of education. Things will get bad not because leftists wish it so, but because it will seem miraculous if they get better.
    
    Either way, Americans have never cared whst leftists have to say. Their mere words will not change your reality.
    
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    GreyAlien@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    I would like to mitigate your opinion with the fact that throughout history, it was people with “leftists” ideas that allowed for a fairer society and most social rights, nowadays they are the one doing most for international justice and climate change, making them all accelerationists when a lot of them literally put their lives in jeopardy to make the world a better place for people they don’t know all while many democrats and liberals laughed about them because “tomato sauce on a plastic case in a museum is silly they should be put in prison for 5 years poor painting” or “some leftist didnt voted for kamala and now many palestinians get annihilated, love to see the pain on their face”.
    
    I guess lots of things must change…
    
    Also how do you know most leftists didn’t voted for Harris? From all I know the loud anti Kamala crowds has been amplified by foreign actors like in 2016 to make it look like it was a majority and divide the democrats further as well as reinforced gerrymandering policies. Let’s remind ourselves that Biden had 4 years to put trump and his corrupted goons in prison yet did nothing, the left has never ever been in power throughout the existence of the US putting the blame on them for trump is silly as they are the last barrier of protection before full blown fascism.
    
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