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• sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Its an Anarchist thing, you wouldn’t get it.

  Super simple version?

  Violence is defined by the state in such a way that it binds the actions of its subjects, but exempts the actions of itself/its agents.

  Look up ‘systemic violence’ or ‘stochastic terrorism’ and you can begin to see how it becomes harder to draw very clear lines than you seem to think is.

  Lets go with your definition that violence includes acts against property.

  Ok… are… taxes violence?

  Is it violent to threaten you with immediate arrest if found operating a car without a valid liscense?

  Howabout valid insurance?

  Is civil asset forfeiture violence?

  Is emminent domain violence?

  Howabout clearing a homeless encampment, destroying all their belongings?

  Is that violent?

  Is it violent to, either intentionally or unintentionally… crash the stock market and knock about 20% off of the value of 401ks of the majority of the population?

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  • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    So you don’t have one? Glad we sorted that.

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    • sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh, are you asking me, personally, for a definition of violence, just flat out, with no context?

      I’d say violence is anything that causes unnecessary suffering to a living being, or significant damage to a nonliving thing.

      What exactly do I mean by that?

      Well, its quite context dependent.

      Is burning down a Tesla dealership violent?

      Sure!

      Is a lesser act of violence in pursuit of a reduction of much, much greater violence justifiable?

      Again, context matters, but generally speaking, the world is built upon violence, people just disagree about when it is justified.

      If a man has pummeled you with hammer blows, you’d be justified in doing some violence back to him to get him to stop.

      If a cartoon supervillain has become either the most or second most poweful man in the world, he has a history of and declared intention to commit mass systemic violence against hundreds of millions of people… and burning down some of his shittily designed and built self-immolating cars stands a good chance at knocking him, his grip on the minds of idiot sycophants, and his overall level of power and influence down a peg?

      When there are no ‘legitimate’ means that will effectively do this, effectively lessen his capacity to do violence against millions?

      Well, I’d rather not keep taking the hammer blows.

      If you’ve got a more peaceful way to stop the hammering, I’d love to hear it… but my bones are breaking.

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      • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨5⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        are you asking me, personally, for a definition of violence

        No I asked for a definition that doesn’t include property damage.

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