Comment on dear republicans, what's the point of alienating every single ally of the US?
zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago“People persue their own interests” is not a “hyper-cynical teenage view” lmao.
pretending that everyone does this to the same extent is what makes it a hyper-cynical teenage view.
my class interests
spare me the tankie cringe
If you want to ask me to set aside my own interests in favor of your opinions about morality
If I’m just comparing how shit the Russian gov is vs the US gov, your interests aren’t relevant in the first place.
Then make the case, because you haven’t. All you’ve done is talk about how they’re the bad guys and pulled out an unrelated example from 80 years ago that’s resulted in disaster every time it’s been used as an example.
Do you live under a fucking rock? Do you need it explained to you why failing to stand up to this invasion might encourage others (like China->Taiwan)? Why stability/security in the West/World is vital for prosperity and won’t be possible unless Russia is defeated, given that they’ve spent most of the time under this regime by being raping & pillaging shits?
Of course I do. I mean, to the extent that it’s possible to predict any events. It’s the deaths from surrendering versus the deaths from surrendering plus the deaths from however long the war keeps going.
Hubris? Yet you think it was super difficult to predict Trumps relationship to Project 2025 lmao. Tell me, how do you know that supporting Ukraine properly doesn’t result in Russia’s defeat in, say another year or that surrendering them doesn’t result in death camps all over Ukraine for years? Fuck off with your “off course I do”. Now go back to reading whatever tankie trash that’s been rotting your brain as you’re clearly only interested in bad faith debate and juggling semantics.
Objection@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
Lmao. Even just talking about class is tankie, apparently.
I’m not, and that wasn’t what the conversation was about.
“Defeating Russia” sounds extremely destabilizing. Do you genuinely want to eliminate the country through military force? That’s completely insane, they’re a nuclear power, you’ll end all life on earth. There will be no “security” “stability” or “prosperity” in a nuclear wasteland.
So possibility A is a nuclear wasteland, possibility B is just letting them have the country and going on with our lives. I’ll take option B, thanks.
Never said this, you’re lying. What I said was that it was difficult to convince voters to connect Project 2025 to Trump.
I’ll forgive your lie because it seems like you’re genuinely incapable of distinguishing between those two proposition, but if you continue lying about what I said, I’m walking away. Lies are a pet peeve.
Because of my assessment of the situation. It’s a stalemate, there’s no realistic possibility of them reclaiming all their lost territory in the next year.
How do I know Ukraine winning wouldn’t result in death camps all over Ukraine for years?
zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Not sure why you pulled this absurd strawman out of your ass. They can just fuck off back to their own country, it’s not that hard.
You said “nobody could’ve predicted that Trump would put project 2025 heads into government”. So shove your forgiveness up your ass you tankie clown. Don’t patronize me.
Oh is this your expert military opinion? Pfft.
Did forget that I said “supporting Ukraine properly” or are you just selectively blind?
Which side has leaders with warrants for genocide again? If that question isn’t proof that you’re a bad faith clown just saying nonsense for the sake of debate, idk what is.
Objection@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
That’s a lie. Link the comment where you think I said that.
zenitsu@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Is what you actually said, I didn’t recall it too well but I wasn’t “lying”. Knowing he was going to put them in government was easily predictable to anyone with open eyes. Buying the “Trump distanced himself from project 2025” bs is pure retardation.