Echo chambers are not bad when the echo is due to the majority opinions being in favor of basic human rights and equality. Giving voice to those that spew hate is not conducive to going anywhere except a circle.
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gunpachi@lemmings.world 2 months ago
I hope more active users move to the fediverse. That way we will have a lot of variety in content and can also potentially prevent communities from becoming echo chambers. I suppose moderation will also have to be taken up a notch for these changes to actually have a positive effect.
ghostrider2112@lemmy.world 2 months ago
shalafi@lemmy.world 2 months ago
And you will be the one deciding what constitutes hate, whose voice to cut off?
reiterationstation@lemm.ee 2 months ago
You tell on yourself.
Ellvix@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Hopefully. ghostrider2112 seems like a decent dude.
ghostrider2112@lemmy.world 2 months ago
lol thanks from a white guy in Ohio, USA that loves all, even those who hate.
pebbles@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
As long as we have ways to give feedback and affect the system this is a good thing.
The less recourse we have the more authoritarian it is though.
meyotch@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
It will be me. You have freedom of speech. I am also free to ignore, mock or ostracize you if you spout hateful nonsense near me.
ScoobyDope@lemm.ee 2 months ago
The community tends to vote with the little arrows.
And thankfully, hate is pretty easy to identify. Take any group of people, if you don’t like one in particular, the whole group, that’s hate. I don’t like trans people. I don’t like black people. See? It’s easy.
There is acceptable hate, and that’s based on human morality. I hade racists. I hate pedos.
If everyone lived with that simple philosophy in mind, love thy fellow humans, not hate (except you, pedos) then the world would be a better place.
danc4498@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Also, more active users means more niche communities. I just realized there’s a Severance community that is medium active. One less thing I need Reddit for.
meyotch@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
What! My outie loves Severance.
I can’t locate this community using search on the term ‘severance’.
Do you mind sharing the instance and community name?
Praise Kier!
danc4498@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Come join the music/dance experience!
gunpachi@lemmings.world 2 months ago
Niche communities are awesome ! Sadly reddit is still the king in this aspect.
Maybe in a few years lemmy will reach that level or even surpass it… One can dream.
mr_jaaay@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I used to spend tons of time on forums 20 or so years ago. Social media killed many of those off, but there’s no reason that something else can’t do the same thing - be it Lemmy communities or something else.
stardust@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
It is interesting that forums had less people but felt very active and didn’t need the millions of people that places like modern day social media do.
And I think big part of it is the presentation of material with threads that get bumped up when people comment and can keep going on for years.
In reddit type social media a thread is considered dead after like a day or less, so needing a new one even if it is the same topic to start up conversation again. Even more the case for one off comment type social media like mastodon.
gunpachi@lemmings.world 2 months ago
Oh yeah forums are pretty cool. It’s like a massive treasure chest you can sort through. I still enjoy using a few forums like Gamerfaqs and XDA developers.
danc4498@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Another thing is google results. When I want a recommendation for anything I will add “Reddit” to my query. This is because I know it will return great recommendations and conversations that help me decide. Hopefully I will eventually be able to just use Lemmy for this.
gunpachi@lemmings.world 2 months ago
In case you didn’t know, You can get lemmy posts by adding the following to a search query -
site:lemmy.worldYou can replace with the lemmy instance url of your choosing (or any url for that matter).
stardust@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I hear echo chamber brought up a lot but never really have seen examples of a place that doesn’t have an echo chamber.
I think that’s just the natural result of people forming communities as opposed seeking out battle grounds for adversaries.
Only thing that can be done is offering people the tools to freely form as many communities as they want with the main barrier being who feels compelled to join the new echo chamber community.
doodledup@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Why moderation? The old internet didn’t have moderation. Why does everyone feel the need for moderation?
bassow@lemmy.world 2 months ago
The old internet was hidden behind dial-up modems and TCP-IP stacks and weird telnet and usenet protocols. This complexity worked as a filter and the people using it were mostly academics, students, techies and other nerds (me amongst them). The moment uncle Bob could poke his way through social media on his phone from the shitter, the whole thing cascaded into Eternal September and “the old internet” was lost forever.
Flagstaff@programming.dev 2 months ago
Trolls, bots, and scammers make them necessary, at a minimum, and then the subliminal messaging from the cronies of politicians, etc. make them welcome. Bots are easier to make than ever before so you can’t compare the past with the present that easily. kbin.social died last year because of relentless spam bots posting garbage/malware links 100x/sec.
doodledup@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Computer bots always act a certain predictable way. You can filter out most bots easily based on time-based filters or other algorithms. The rest should not be moderated, except for illegal things like selling weapons, drugs, or hiring a hitman.
RightEdofer@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
That hasn’t been true for a long time. Filtering bots has increasingly become more difficult, expensive, and sophisticated. Not to mention that there are still plenty of state sponsored bad actors using real people and hybrid approaches.
mostlikelyaperson@lemmy.world 2 months ago
What? The old internet absolutely had moderation, even back in the day of BBS.
stardust@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Guess you never used forums.
Flagstaff@programming.dev 2 months ago
I suspect this will still become a problem since we can subscribe to whichever communities we like and vice versa.
meyotch@slrpnk.net 2 months ago
It is a feature, not a problem.
I have, like, this whole rich life offline. My curated list of instances and communities (plus my user block list) is just my entertainment and a small portion of my day.
You may not believe this but I have numerous thoughts, activities and interactions that never leave a trace online. I have no obligation to drink from the firehose that is being pumped from the septic tank of the human psyche.