Comment on YSK: Gas stoves cause cancer

• GreatBlueHeron@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I also live in an area with frequent power disruption. We have a backup generator. It is more than enough to power the electronics in our propane gas range, but nowhere near enough to power an electric range.

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• sxan@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Mine works when the power is out. The only electrical part is the starter.

  Also, I can heat my house (well, keep the temps above freezing) with my gas fireplace. I just have to manually click the pezioh electric starter.

  OTOH, when the power is out, I can’t run my stove vent hood, which vents outside and is why I don’t worry much about “particulate matter.” Never seen a non-externally-vented gas stove; I thought they were against code in the US, but whatever. The fireplace is entirely enclosed and sealed, and vented outside; heat circulation is via a fan that runs air around the heat box - which also doesn’t run with power out, making it less efficient. But it still beats having the pipes freeze.

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  • evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Never seen something like this?

    It’s a pain in the butt cause all it does is suck up any smoke and direct it towards your smoke detector.

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    • sxan@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Nope, not personally. I mean, I have had hoods that just vent into the kitchen, but never on a gas stove; only on cheap electric ones.

      I believe they exist, but IME gas stove installation code says it has to vent outside, because of the gas fumes. With electric stoves, installers can get away with just venting into the kitchen, so if something burns you get your smoke alarm.

      I roast coffee beans, and I do it by placing a cookie tray on my stove, and put the roaster on that. It is a major PITA, but if I do a dark roast it produces smoke - like real, dark, something’s-burning smoke - and if I don’t have it under the vent it sets the smoke detectors off every time. But under the vent, it just sucks it all out and jets it outside.

      This is the first house I’ve owned that has a gas stove, but my in-law’s place has a big Viking in it with, like, 10 burners; it’s a monster, and the hood on that looks like it came from a restaurant. Their’s vents outside, too.

      I have no doubt there are places in the US where gas is cheap and even trailer homes have gas stoves and no outside venting, and maybe older homes. I dunno. But every gas stove I’ve personally seen in the US in the past decade has vented outside.

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      • evasive_chimpanzee@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I think there are some municipalities with that in code, but it’s definitely not universal in the US.

        codes.iccsafe.org/…/chapter-5-chimneys-and-vents

        I live in a house with a gas stove that vents into my kitchen.

        I definitely hear you about the coffee roasting. I assumed when they said that it smokes that it would just be like thin wisps, and I definitely smoked out my house. I’m not going to do it inside again.

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    • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      i mean ours was built to look that way, but when you open those cabinets above the microwave there’s ducting in there for the vent to get to the roof.

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  • Nollij@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yes, they exist, as I acknowledged. How old is it? Is it representative of what you’d find at a standard big box retailer?

    For it to work, it means the controls must all be manual and mechanical. This is in contrast to the “smart” features that are very common.

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    • sxan@midwest.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Oh, 25 years old, or something? I’ve looked at replacing it with something newer and easier to clean, with electric controls instead of dials, but they’re enormously more expensive and the basic manual dial versions are still available, and cheaper.

      I mean, there’s not much to a gas stove. I’ve taken mine completely apart because the peizo starter fried itself. You don’t need more than physical dials to control gas flow, like a water faucet, and a peizo starter. Making them more complex is really silly. Even my in-laws stupid giant, expensive Viking has manual dials and peizo starters, although they only have to turn the dials on and the starters go automatically until they detect that the gas is burning. I have to press my dials to trigger the starter. Even in the Viking, the gas control is still just a valve; as long as there’s gas pressure in the lines, you can manually start it with a match with no electricity. Their’s is about 10 years old.

      Funny, though: our fireplaces are reversed. Our gas fireplace is peizo started; their’s you have to manually light with a lighter.

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