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We criticize liberalism from the left though. I understand that you’re not used to that but liberalism is not actually the leftmost part of the political spectrum. Its also worth noting that when we say “liberalism” we include both what you understand to be “liberals” and “conservatives” because thats what the word originally meant. It just meant “supporter of capitalism”. We have significant issues with the Democratic Party (and the equivalent parties in other first world nations) though and don’t pretend otherwise, but all those criticisms are coming from Marxist perspectives.

I’m not even going to get into it with the “pro fascism” part because I know this is almost certainly based on a misunderstanding of what fascism. Hexbear is explicitly anti-fascist, as are all communists except those weirdo MAGA communists of which there are like 10.

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Cleverdawny@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
Hexbear user claiming to be anti fascist in favor of Marxist authoritarianism. To be followed by anger at me calling them out for being an authoritarian or denying that communism is inherently authoritarian. Later, the conversation will devolve into denial that the USSR was authoritarian, that it occupied and oppressed the countries of Eastern Europe and those constituent republics of the Soviet Empire which didn’t authentically want to be there (like Ukraine and the Baltic states) and whataboutism about American cold war actions.

Yes, we have all seen this conversation before, and all your rationalizations. You want to criticize the Democrats? Sure, fine, whatever, they aren’t perfect. But generally, a conversation with a tankie or chapo devolves into acrimony unless you favor dismantling capitalism in favor of their preferred brand of authoritarianism and support their historical revisionism.

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- autismdragon@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
  jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory
  
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  - Cleverdawny@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    See, now I’m an anti Semite because I don’t like the USSR
    
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    TrashGoblin@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
    If the shoe fits.
    
    Within the mythology of East European nationalists, particularly but not exclusively in the Baltics and western Ukraine — where there was massive local participation in the actual killing of Jews, usually by shooting at local pits rather than by deportation to faraway camps — the Bogus moral equivalence of the Holocaust has been from the time of the actual massacres the myth that the Jews were all Communists and got what they deserved because Communism was every bit as genocidal as Nazism.
    
    Incidentally, this is one reason many of us, while not condoning Russia’s illegal invasion are not huge fans of Ukrainian nationalists.
    
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