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420blazeit69@hexbear.net 1 year agoFrom many Hexbear threads on the topic of LGBT rights in the Soviet Union (and Warsaw Pact countries), here’s my understanding:
- The pre-Soviet Russian Empire criminalized homosexuality.
- The first Soviet constitution “decriminalized” it in the sense that it wiped away the laws of the old Empire and instituted new ones that did not include criminalizing homosexuality. I don’t personally think (and I think this is the Hexbear consensus) that was an intentional choice; it probably just got left out because it wasn’t a priority in the midst of a revolution, civil war/invasion by a half dozen capitalist powers, and the monumental task of building a modern state (and the first socialist state) out of the ashes of WWI and late-feudal Russia. Note that plenty of legal scholars would disagree on the theory that legislative bodies write laws (or don’t) very deliberately.
- Stalin re-criminalized homosexuality. Zero people on Hexbear support that, and I’m not aware of any existing socialist state that does, either (the CPC line on Stalin, for instance, is “70% good, 30% bad”).
- In the 80s, some Warsaw Pact countries (possibly just East Germany) were on par with or ahead of the West on LGBT rights, policies that came to an end with the dissolution of the USSR.
- Post-Soviet Russia is a capitalist state likely more corrupt and undemocratic than even the U.S., and I’ve seen no Hexbear user defend it, much less its reprehensible stances on LGBT rights. What you will see, however, is discussion of Russia’s actual intentions (not propaganda like “Putin is a mustache-twirling villain who does bad things for no reason”) and its role as a counterweight to NATO hegemony.
It’s also important to consider the USSR’s stance on LGBT rights in context of the rest of the world – they were still wrong to oppress LGBT people, but no one else was doing much better, which indicates those bad policies were not some unique aspect of socialism. Cuba, for instance, just passed a Family Code that has LGBT protections far ahead of anything the U.S. has at a national scale, and the public support programs of socialist countries (housing, education, labor protections, etc.) are significant benefits for any marginalized community even if not expressly intended as such.
wintermute_oregon@lemm.ee 1 year ago
420blazeit69@hexbear.net 1 year ago
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The “it is fair to say that the USSR stance was no different than the stance of the United States during the same time” stance would get a lot of agreement on Hexbear. We’ll go to bat for the many good things the USSR did, but we’re more than happy to criticize it (or China, or Cuba, etc.) where appropriate. One of the most-cited books on Hexbear – Blackshirts and Reds by Michael Parenti (big recommend, by the way) – has at least a whole chapter (maybe even a whole section, can’t remember) on criticisms of the USSR.
Super jealous you’ve been to Cuba – hope I can go one day!
GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Stalin being personally homophobic and supporting homophobic legislation is bad and absolutely true (unlike many characterizations of him and others), but taking him as a historical figure and considering things like leading the liberation of the death camps and destruction of Nazi Germany, along with an overall massive increase in the Soviet quality of life and doing other things like famine relief in India and supporting communists around the world, we must recognize him as a historically progressive figure.