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• randint@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Sorry, I think my sentence was worded poorly. What I meant was that authoritarianism is a concept suppressed by the government, yet some people believe that it is better than democracy.

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  • DoiDoi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Democracy and authoritarianism are not mutually exclusive

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    • commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I think you should likely expand more on this. Your replies are kinda low effort dunks, and we should be clearer about the why’s in such a thread where we are defending ourselves.

      Don’t just describe a contradiction but how the world can be understood through that contradiction and its various aspects. Linking on authority is, of course, always relevant to these claims, but try just a bit harder or don’t post onto such a thread, imo. Or just link to another comrade talking about the exact thing, because I’ve read like 50 better explanations/replies in the past week from hexbear comrades.

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      • commiewithoutorgans@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Like this one maybe: hexbear.net/comment/3738759

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      • randint@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Thank you for your comment. I actually do want to know why some people do not view democracy and authoritarianism as opposites.

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    • randint@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      While it is possible for democracies to possess authoritarian elements, they are somewhat opposites of each other. Authoritarianism is characterized by the rejection of political plurality, and reductions in the rule of law, separation of powers, and democratic voting. The US embraces plurality and democratic voting, and also has a separation of powers. The government of the US does have its flaws, but it is by absolutely no means authoritarian. You are thinking about another word. While I’m not sure what that word is, ChatGPT suggests that it could be “illiberally democratic.”

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      • GarbageShoot@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        ChatGPT failed you. In a political philosophical sense, the US is extremely liberal, maybe the most liberal country in the first world (at least if you are white and look cishet, etc). That, however, is exactly the problem, as liberalism places power in the hands of the wealthy.

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      • alcoholicorn@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The government of the US does have its flaws, but it is by absolutely no means authoritarian.

        It has more people in prison than any other country, both in absolute and per capita. As for democracy, letting the people choose between two candidates that represent the dictatorship of the bourgeoisie and pass laws accordingly, is not democratic. [This is evidenced by the actions of the that always benefit the capitalist class over the working class.](www.princeton.edu/~mgilens/Gilens homepage materials/Gilens and Page/Gilens and Page 2014-Testing Theories 3-7-14.pdf)

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    • astral_avocado@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The USA is also one of the most authoritarian countries in the world.

      Lol you people are literally the worst most delusional basement incels I swear

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      • DoiDoi@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Thanks for your contribution to the discussion! Great stuff as always.

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