Comment on Hexbear federation megathread

• steltek@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  To avoid misrepresentation, I’ll quote my original proposition:

  It was not to compare ideologies but the end result of extremism and radicalization. Words become violent action and a willingness to forego peaceful change.

  The casual introduction and acceptance of capital punishment and “useful” applications of police brutality, as if they were common tools in a political toolbox, is a mark of the beginning of that very shift.

  Anyway, I’ve spent far too much time in here so I’m trying to put this whole post behind me. My own personal “disengage”, I guess? I just didn’t want to leave while being lumped in with the other people leaving crude, shallow dismissals as Russian tankies/bots/shills/trolls/whatever. I entered these conversations with a neutral viewpoint on Hexbear, not even in favor of defederation, but that has sadly changed quite a bit.

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  • MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    You added that rationalization ten hours later and still compared us to Nazis.

    Views on capital punishment vary across Hexbear, but in general I’d argue we’re generally anti. The idea we’re a pro-police brutality sub is absurd, given that ACAB and the police being the violent oppressive shock troops of capital are one of the the only views that’s basically agreed upon across Hexbear.

    You seem to be misrepresenting the fact that while most communists (and not all of our users are communists) dislike, but understand the sad necessity of some degree of state violence in order to protect itself from hostile forces like coups and terrorism. All states believe this, it’s known as ‘the monopoly on violence’ but communists broadly want to achieve global revolution in order to move past the need for the destructive elements of the state (although I admit this is a pretty utopian, very long term goal). I’d be happy to send you some reading or video lectures on the subject if you’d like, but it sounds like you’re not interested.

    And just a note in case you do pop over to Hexbear in the future, the disengagement rule we have isn’t a tool to send a long post and have the final word. But I’m also not interested in hounding you if you just want to move on. Hope you enjoy the rest of your day.

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  • brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    What are you talking about? Political ‘moderates’ introduce and accept capital punishment and useful applications of brutality all the time.

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  • macabrett@hexbear.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m not going to engage with you on anything other than the “disengage”, but part of our “disengage” rule is that you absolutely cannot dump a bunch of text in an argument and end it with “disengage”. You need to actually disengage when you say “disengage”.

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