Comment on Ukraine isn’t invited to its own peace talks. History is full of such examples – and the results are devastating

AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

• SpaceCadet@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  The Donetsk & Luhansk republics would violently resist any attempt by Kyiv to absorb them back into Ukraine.

  LOL

  You know that whole rebellion thing was created by Russia right?

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  • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    It’s funny to me how both sides say this about the other. There were two rebellions in Ukraine backed by foreign powers, and which one you think is legitimate and which one was created by foreign meddling doesn’t seem to have anything to do with any facts on the ground, it’s entirely about which global hegemon you support.

    In reality, both the succession movement and Euromaiden involved a combination of foreign agitation and popular support, and it’s nowhere near as black and white as either side pretends.

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    • SpaceCadet@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Fuck your disingenuous bothesidesism.

      Western support of Euromaidan (what you erroneously call “meddling”) isn’t remotely comparable to the straight acts of war that Russia committed in the Donbas.

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      • Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Of course not. It’s not meddling when we do, because we’re the good guys.

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  • AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Yes, I do know that. What difference does it make to my point?

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    • SpaceCadet@feddit.nl ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Everything, because the people of D&L will not violently resist. They were peaceful citizens of Ukraine, who overwhelmingly voted for Ukrainian independence in 1991.

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      • AFC1886VCC@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        Define the “people”. Currently, the separatists in charge in the republics are openly pro-Russian and welcomed the annexation with open arms. They won’t step down quietly and accept reintegration into Ukraine. In the event that Ukraine officially claims victory in Donbas, there will be an insurgency there for years, backed by the Kremlin. There’s already been one since 2014.

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  • Gammelfisch@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Indeed and most of the Russian supporting rebels are fertilizing Ukraine’s soil.

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  • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Look, however it started, Russia has had significant portions of those territories for a decade. They’ve been arresting dissidents, running propaganda, and making their roots as deep as possible. It’s not going to be easy for Ukraine to just resume administration of those areas.

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    • SpaceCadet@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I live in a country that was occupied by Nazi Germany, where the Nazis did the exact same things and put the local Nazi sympathizers in charge of local administration. It didn’t turn us into a country with deep Nazi roots.

      We just imprisoned and shot those fuckers after the war.

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      • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

        I hope it’s that easy. I fear it’s not.

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• Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Yes, unfortunately the situation with the conquered territories seems pretty grim.

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• Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  There will be violence no matter who’s in charge. There are people violently resisting Russian rule in those regions right now. It’s not going to be easy for anyone.

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