He would have paid with other people’s money but I do not think it is right to think of OpenAI as grifters working a business plan. They are zealots who think they are creating an inflection point in human civilisation, my hope and my fear is that they might be right. It is not over inflated, it is not another assistant it is the start of inorganic intelligence.
Don’t cite the old spells to me witch, I was there when they were written.
The dot com bubble was the same exact BS, and elmo was there already prepared to grift to the wazoo. The whole AI thing is a massive grift with no mass market use. B2B? Maybe Science? Definitely but mass market is NOT the use case.
Double, double toil and trouble, server burn and model bubble. I was there too and I believe there is a chance this is the start of inorganic intelligence. I think LLM might have hit upon the way the subconscious organic mind arrives at thought, by best guess of the most probable based on learned experience. That is then passed to the conscious mind - when you wrote your reply you did not grapple over every word, whole sentences and responses simply popped into your conscious mind passed from the subconscious where all the work was done.
I get where you are coming from. From what I see there are a lot of folks genuinely excited about AI and genuinely think it is the future.
I also agree with you that it’s not for mass market. It’s a tool. I can be used by anyone. It can be helpful in a limited capacity for damn near anyone. But like a tablesaw, not everyone needs one and if you try to use it without understanding the tool, it’s liable to do more harm than good.
I’m actually really excited for LLMs because I was into them and using them way before ChatGPT, and now that everyone is excited there is all of this interest and investment and the costs for doing what I enjoy are socialized over a large number of people. It’s like if the whole world decided everyone needs a replica lightsaber. Instead of paying $600 for one, I could pick one up for $120 due to economy of scale.
I still think it’s a terrible business model. Everyone is trying to integrate it into mass market products, but it is uncontrollable. Your automated CSR bot might just tell your biggest client to go fuck himself. The chance is low, but it is never zero. That’s not a product.
When 25 phones out of a production run of hundreds of thousands catch fire, they recall the whole fucking lot. Anyone adopting LLMs on a large scale is begging to be sued into oblivion.
I would not invest in OAI. I might invest in a smaller, leaner competitor. I wouldn’t invest in an AI-based company. You’re right that it’s a sucker’s game, I’m just not sure it’s grift. Looks to me like rich idiots who don’t really understand it (well, and maybe grifters who don’t want them to).
That all being said, it’s a fun, cool technology. It has its niche uses. And who knows, we might just accidentally invent something really cool out of it. It has replaced Google for me ~80% of the time. Because Google is also full of shit, but it takes a lot longer to sift through. I’m not staking my life or livelihood on anything ChatGPT says, but if you know how to use it, and if you are skeptical about the results, it’s pretty amazing. IMO
I’m not a ludite, I run my own llms and think “AI” is a massive step up in productivity in science and automation.
I think OAI and the likes are a massive grift. If anything, DeepSeek showed everyone that the path forward to mass adoption is open source and a REAL marketplace of ideas. The grift is convincing illiterate idiots that their money is well invested in bringing a closed source shit product to the masses. Outside of novelty, a 1B model running locally is more than enough for the overwhelming majority of the uses people give AI, write or re-write text.
I’m appalled our retirement money is in the hands of these people. The I stop, look around and see world leaders (and first ladies) launching memecois and rug pulling to the tune of billions and realise it’s just another step towards idiocracy.
seven_phone@lemmy.world 4 days ago
He would have paid with other people’s money but I do not think it is right to think of OpenAI as grifters working a business plan. They are zealots who think they are creating an inflection point in human civilisation, my hope and my fear is that they might be right. It is not over inflated, it is not another assistant it is the start of inorganic intelligence.
Viri4thus@feddit.org 4 days ago
Don’t cite the old spells to me witch, I was there when they were written.
The dot com bubble was the same exact BS, and elmo was there already prepared to grift to the wazoo. The whole AI thing is a massive grift with no mass market use. B2B? Maybe Science? Definitely but mass market is NOT the use case.
seven_phone@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Double, double toil and trouble, server burn and model bubble. I was there too and I believe there is a chance this is the start of inorganic intelligence. I think LLM might have hit upon the way the subconscious organic mind arrives at thought, by best guess of the most probable based on learned experience. That is then passed to the conscious mind - when you wrote your reply you did not grapple over every word, whole sentences and responses simply popped into your conscious mind passed from the subconscious where all the work was done.
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
I get where you are coming from. From what I see there are a lot of folks genuinely excited about AI and genuinely think it is the future.
I also agree with you that it’s not for mass market. It’s a tool. I can be used by anyone. It can be helpful in a limited capacity for damn near anyone. But like a tablesaw, not everyone needs one and if you try to use it without understanding the tool, it’s liable to do more harm than good.
I’m actually really excited for LLMs because I was into them and using them way before ChatGPT, and now that everyone is excited there is all of this interest and investment and the costs for doing what I enjoy are socialized over a large number of people. It’s like if the whole world decided everyone needs a replica lightsaber. Instead of paying $600 for one, I could pick one up for $120 due to economy of scale.
I still think it’s a terrible business model. Everyone is trying to integrate it into mass market products, but it is uncontrollable. Your automated CSR bot might just tell your biggest client to go fuck himself. The chance is low, but it is never zero. That’s not a product.
When 25 phones out of a production run of hundreds of thousands catch fire, they recall the whole fucking lot. Anyone adopting LLMs on a large scale is begging to be sued into oblivion.
I would not invest in OAI. I might invest in a smaller, leaner competitor. I wouldn’t invest in an AI-based company. You’re right that it’s a sucker’s game, I’m just not sure it’s grift. Looks to me like rich idiots who don’t really understand it (well, and maybe grifters who don’t want them to).
That all being said, it’s a fun, cool technology. It has its niche uses. And who knows, we might just accidentally invent something really cool out of it. It has replaced Google for me ~80% of the time. Because Google is also full of shit, but it takes a lot longer to sift through. I’m not staking my life or livelihood on anything ChatGPT says, but if you know how to use it, and if you are skeptical about the results, it’s pretty amazing. IMO
Viri4thus@feddit.org 1 day ago
I’m not a ludite, I run my own llms and think “AI” is a massive step up in productivity in science and automation.
I think OAI and the likes are a massive grift. If anything, DeepSeek showed everyone that the path forward to mass adoption is open source and a REAL marketplace of ideas. The grift is convincing illiterate idiots that their money is well invested in bringing a closed source shit product to the masses. Outside of novelty, a 1B model running locally is more than enough for the overwhelming majority of the uses people give AI, write or re-write text.
I’m appalled our retirement money is in the hands of these people. The I stop, look around and see world leaders (and first ladies) launching memecois and rug pulling to the tune of billions and realise it’s just another step towards idiocracy.