Comment on Hexbear federation megathread
betelgeuse@hexbear.net 1 year agoGo get those lumberjacks to cut down that forest… wait a minute… they won’t do it unless someone pays them??? Really?
Humans are a productive species and have produced many things necessary for survival long before capitalism or English property rights ever existed. You’re doing that thing again where you don’t know anything about history but you feel very strongly about defining the boundaries of human nature to be 17th century commerce. People don’t need money to produce things.
People also have shared responsibilities and duties. Nobody learns every single aspect of everything else. Some people are farmers, some are not. Some people build houses, some don’t.
Also paying for things is not unique to capitalism. Commerce has existed long before capitalism. It’s not like before 1800 everyone just traded chickens for everything.
You do, in fact, think people are slaves. You think they should work for a fraction of the value they create and then come home to pay you 2x the amount in rent. That way you get to pay off your mortgage and then keep collecting rent once your original investment is paid off. I guess that part is different from providing a necessary service, right? You just want to provide homes and get a huge return on investment. How pure are your motives?
I’m sure you’re clever enough to buy a farm and rent the fields to the workers and then rent them housing too. They give you a portion of their grain, it’s a fair trade after all, you own the farm. They should pay you for the privilege of working to keep you fed and housed. You should just chill and collect a check and bushel of grain every fall because you worked really hard to own that property. Totally not slavery.
Firemyth@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Hey that’s all you bud. I mean the numbers are made up and the facts don’t matter apparently. But cool story.
Meanwhile I’m still going to go with providing homes at a reasonable price. You do what you do and I’ll do what I do- curious which of us gets something done.
betelgeuse@hexbear.net 1 year ago
If you provided them at a reasonable price you wouldn’t make any money. Kinda telling on yourself there. The only way your business works is if you charge more than your mortgage. The bank is charging you for borrowing money so even they’re marking it up. The reasonable price would be the price without the bank’s markup and yours.
But hey you’re the Donald Trump of lemm.ee, so don’t let anyone ever tell you how da business goes. You grab your copy of Rich Dad Poor Dad and you solve the housing crisis by doing credit checks and marking up rents.
Firemyth@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Oh man you got me. Yeah I do charge more than my mortgage… I mean any amount is greater than 0… so oof yeah… you totally got me.
I totally mark up rent too- definitely. Have done it 0 times. Man. Got me there too.
I’m horrible for making my rent a couple hundred below market value too. Oowee.
I did happen to read rich dad poor dad. It’s does have some solid advice on pretty basic principles of building wealth and avoiding debt. Oh man so bad of me.
Tell me more about myself mystic of the commune.
betelgeuse@hexbear.net 1 year ago
If your goal was to house people then you could just charge the amount of property tax since your mortgage is $0. So, oof, yeah I do totally got you. Your investment is paid off, since the house is paid off. The only thing left is just wanting people to pay you for nothing.
Embrace what you are. Stop trying to abstract it behind being a saint or appeals to the market.