well most of the stuff other places have brought up are political content. Do not expect everyone to be centrist in their opinions or quiet about them.
Comment on Hexbear federation megathread
ech@lemm.ee 1 year ago
My view is that this federation of theirs is just sketchy. Their announcement post reads as some barely veiled call to propagandize the Fediverse, and the instance itself seems almost proud in a way to have developed their particular methods in their isolation. Though from what I’ve seen, those methods are mostly just whataboutism and “just asking questions”, not anything particularly novel.
If there was much content or interaction from them that was just neutral, it’d be much easier to swallow, but everything they post or comment always seems be a dog whistle at minimum. And maybe I’m just not noticing all the users not doing that, but the ones I do notice are all over.
All in all, I’d be more in favor of defederation. I’ve seen enough of this from the right already to have an idea of where this is going, and barring a larger effort from the instance to change, would rather it just got nipped in the bud.
Catradora_Stalinism@hexbear.net 1 year ago
lagomorphlecture@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Typically it’s the far right that causes problems but the far left certainly can do the same and I don’t think we should be any more tolerant of bad behavior on the left than we are of bad behavior on the right. The paradox of tolerance is a real bitch and we should be aware of it and remember how things end up when you get too comfortable in letting people be who they are even if who they are is horrible.
AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 1 year ago
[the left being mean and rude to nazis]
[The right marginalizing and murdering minority groups]
these are the same things!
brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Political “centrists” also cause just as many problems, they just tend not to be as aware of it because their position is mainstream in the USA. We should indeed be aware of the paradox of tolerance, and remember that it applies to so called moderate opinions just as much as any other.
Aceticon@lemmy.world 1 year ago
Nationalism and pro-Authoritarianism are the problem.
Whilst in the present day in the West we’re more used to getting that from the populist Right (mainly because chinese users tend to stick to chinese platforms), those things are most definitelly present in politicals discourse not coming from the Right (I hesistate in calling them left, as they seem to have lost connection to the principle of “the greatest good for the greatest number”).
There seem to be a lot more political axis than Left-Right and one of the big ones which is roughly independent of that one is Freedom-Control, which would explain how you end up with deeply authoritarian regimes both on the Left and on the Right.
There’s really no point in engaging nationalists - an uncritical view of the geographical area on happens to be born in as superior is not logic, rather it’s more like a faith - and as for authoritarians, sadly their entire take on humanity is that the right way to relate to other human being is to impose your will on them if you have that power, so their “discussion” abilities are pretty limited to justifying or disguising when “their side” (and yeah, they’re broken into “sides”) imposes their will on the unwilling.
booty@hexbear.net 1 year ago
I’m going to engage you in good faith, even though I don’t truly think you deserve it. Of course we want to “propagandize the fediverse” because we think our opinions are correct. If we didn’t think our opinions were correct we’d hold different opinions and want to propagandize the fediverse with those other opinions (like you do). Being a “centrist” or “apolitical” or whatever is itself an ideology, and you are no less trying to push your ideology than we are trying to push ours.
For what it’s worth, Reddit already tried to “nip this in the bud” by “defederating” us years ago. That’s essentially what the quarantine system on Reddit is. It’s supposed to be a death sentence for a subreddit, because you can’t view the sub on mobile or without a verified email, it never gets advertised anywhere, and any time you try to navigate to it you get a “this subreddit is bad and very no good, you should go elsewhere, are you sure you want to see this terrible content?” And we kept growing during the quarantine so much that the admins had to make up an excuse to ban the sub entirely (and then many other subs which overlapped in userbase, as well as a couple subs that were basically unrelated, just to really stamp out any hint of our userbase).
Defederating from us won’t solve the problem. Just like on Reddit, we will continue our legitimate criticisms of the system and we will continue to grow and influence the political climate of the fediverse and, unfortunately for the likes of you, there are no Reddit admins here to ban us. Basically what I’m saying is, it’s impossible to get rid of us so you might as well just get used to being called out when you say bigoted shit
dmrzl@programming.dev 1 year ago
“I’m going to engage you in good faith, even though I don’t truly think you deserve it.”
Wall of text introduced by poisoning the well. Exactly the reason I find it hard to take anything from hexbear serious.
booty@hexbear.net 1 year ago
300 words is a wall of text?
And I was proven right that the user in question did not deserve good faith engagement. They dismissed everything I said and refused to actually take part in any sort of conversation, while throwing insults at me.
dmrzl@programming.dev 1 year ago
Exactly the intended effect of poisoning the well. So your method of communication works as intended, whether you realize it or not.