What are you talking about dude?
Stalin killed way more people than the Nazis did. Nazis and Satlin were both horrid and evil. Don’t even pretend that there’s any redeeming qualities of Stalinism.
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MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 1 year ago
As a Hexbear user and one of the people your mod & OP interacted with in that thread, I find much of this post concerning and often spurious.
First, personally, I am one of the people who accused him of engaging in behaviour that was tantamount to Holocaust denial. I did so after his repeated, blunt, assertions of false equivalency between the undisputed horrors of Nazi Germany and those - some true, many disputed, some outright refuted - of the Soviet Union. I explained that this practice is known as the ‘Double Genocide Theory’ and even linked to articles by Jewish historians and Holocaust academics that explained the issues with the theory and the history of its official use to whitewash far-right movements, particularly in post-Soviet states. Instead of receiving a modicum of serious engagement he instead deliberately and grossly misrepresented and dismissed not only my point but the work of the Jewish academics I linked before leaving with an insult.
Secondly, what exactly constitutes Kremlin propaganda? This is a usually completely baseless claim that is thrown constantly at Hexbear uses, but also almost any marginally left or anti-war figure on the internet. A small but vocal group of cynical users that cannot and will not tolerate opposing viewpoints use it to shut down debate and to smear people.
Your very own mod/OP engaged in a version of that in the thread on Hexbear and when pushed on what it meant variably either ignored the question or cast the net as wide as anything Russia (state, politicians, or media) have ever said. Several people made the point that a Russian source can say can say something that’s factual, or identify something true and use that as part of a political narrative. Does that objective truth suddenly because false as soon as it’s spoken by Russian lips? These questions were ignored.
Terevos@lemm.ee 1 year ago
brain_in_a_box@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Doing Holocaust denial to own the commies.
sunaurus@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Your position is impossible to argue against when you start from the position of “any Estonian who is critical of both of their occupiers is a holocaust denier”.
Let me also say for the record that I have not once, in any of my posts, attempted to compare the “level” of evil of the soviets and the nazis. If by “assertions of false equivalency” you are referring to the fact that both the nazis and soviets did indeed occupy my country and commit crimes against humanity here, then sure, that is something I have been asserting. Still, I have never tried to downplay the horrors the nazis committed, I have only condemned them in the strongest possible terms. I am asking to please include this context about me if you ever feel the need to call me a holocaust denier. Please also remember that I am a real human with a public identity, and words you post on the internet can have a real effect on my life.
As for “leaving with an insult”, I do not believe I have written a single insult to anybody on hexbear (or elsewhere on Lemmy), but I’m sorry if you feel like I was rude at any point. I was simply trying to disengage, because it was clear that the more I interacted on hexbear, the more personal attacks I was receiving.
I think this question is bait, but I will answer in good faith with an example to hopefully drive the point home.
Posting " 10 reasons why we need communism…" is clearly not Kremlin propaganda. Posting " Ukraine shouldn’t even exist, long live CCCP" is clearly Kremlin propanda.
very_poggers_gay@hexbear.net 1 year ago
I (and I’m sure tons of community members from different communities) appreciate how responsive you’ve been throughout the thread, and I just want to share a thought to your reply. You said:
This example is like a 10/10 easy slam dunk, but I think the concern that many users have about alleging “Kremlin propaganda” is that there are an infinite amount of examples that are much harder, if not impossible, to clearly distinguish. It’s these grey areas, which are also far more common, that prompt different degrees of skepticism or uncertainty about the terminology and its application.
usa_suxxx@hexbear.net 1 year ago
sunaurus@lemm.ee 1 year ago
That is my understanding as well, and I’m very happy to hear you confirm that.