Comment on Hexbear federation megathread
steltek@lemm.ee 1 year agoI hope you understand that I singled you out as you seem to be in conversation with Sun. And this is unfortunate to read.
Sunaurus is standing up for staying federated with Hexbear. That’s about as good faith as it gets. To then be attacked in such a vile and repugnant way is totally inexcusable.
I find your explanation and your excuses about technical limitations to be pretty lame. I seem to be able to go about my online life without telling people that their grandparents deserve(d) their deaths. I don’t need CSS to help me act like a civilized individual.
Awoo@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Sorry what? Vile and repugnant? Attacked? I just wrote out a very long and thought out response on what the issues are with lemmy’s design that are causing this. Nobody was attacked in my response, nor was it vile or repugnant. You are assuming the worst of me here and then trying to make something of it instead of responding to my actual words. I don’t usually make this request because usually people respond to me in good-faith, but if you’re going to respond to me please quote me and respond in-line to my actual words, or don’t respond to me at all. I see this as the only way to get you to speak to my actual words rather than to whatever it is you’re making up in your head about me.
steltek@lemm.ee 1 year ago
Sorry for the misunderstanding. No, you did not make the attack.
However, it seems that things like “Your kulak grandparents deserved to die” are accepted and supported on Hexbear, as long as it doesn’t draw undue attention. Except your user forget their “time and place” for airing the dirty laundry. This garbage is not a free exchange of ideas; this a few steps away from actually beheading the non-believers. Just as I would support defederating from other extermist hate instances, Hexbear needs to go.
And then to just throw in another comment:
I see absolutely zero value in this “other viewpoint”. There is really no legitimate debate here.
Awoo@hexbear.net 1 year ago
Generally speaking yes. The Kulaks hoarded grain for their profit causing massive famines that killed millions of people. The important thing to understand here is that “Kulak” is not a race, it means wealthy farm owner, they were rich owners of large amounts of farmland that hoarded grain resulting in what was a overly forceful collectivisation process, BUT this process is often defended by socialists because (and I’m speaking generally) that most of the kulaks hoarded grain and were certainly responsible for people starving to death. Not all of them, but most.
It’s a statement that you need to understand quite a lot of different things to properly parse.
I’m not sure what problem you have here. The state says “hand it over” and if the property isn’t handed over willingly then the state uses guns to force it to happen. We already do this, it’s called expropriation. The population of Berlin recently voted to expropriate all property from landlords. What is the problem here?? If the landlords of Berlin do not hand over that property then they will be taken by people with guns. That’s how states work.
I understand that you might not have seen it put in this kind of extremely blunt words before. But that comment is literally just saying “they can hand it over or they can die” which is frankly no different to how states operate currently. If these landlords in Berlin don’t hand it over they will be beaten into a pulp by police, and if they continue to resist they will be killed in the process. This is a blunt and explicitly accurate description of the process of property expropriation.
Skua@kbin.social 1 year ago
I think you've misunderstood the comment you're replying to. The quote is not a general thing they've seen somewhere, it was posted (and has now been deleted) by Hexbear user uralsolo on this thread directed at sunaurus.
steltek@lemm.ee 1 year ago
A long winded manifesto justifying mass state executions for political enemies.
This also neatly plays into my other reason for defederation: Hexbears seem acutely susceptible to lengthy preaching and insatiable defense of their ideology. Even if such ideology didn’t involve beheading the heretics, it’s unwelcome as an off-topic distraction in almost all situations and communities suffer as a result.
Civility@hexbear.net 1 year ago
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