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Xanza@lemm.ee ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

My age isn’t important to the argument.

I didn’t bring up your age to make an argument about it. I simply pointed out that I’ve likely been developing software longer than you’ve been alive and to my credit this statement is almost always true, especially given that very few in their 60s would use a federated social platform, it’s a reasonable assumption. You’re the one who made it about age–and you keep doing so in your replies.

I noticed now that I posted my age you didn’t respond with yours.

Why do you feel entitled to know my age?

You can’t get past personal attacks.

You’re the one fixating on age, and you clearly misread my initial post. You’re counter-arguing against the source you provided, misrepresenting and misunderstanding what your own source said. You’re only arguing against those points because you mistakenly thought I had made them. So, I responded in kind. In typical boomer fashion, you entered this thread dismissive of others, framed everything around your age as if it automatically makes you right, and now blame others for your misunderstandings. Truly a sight to see.

It’s objectively true that building on a poor foundation is a bad idea and it’s also objectively true that sometimes if the foundation is bad enough it’s easier to simply rebuild the whole damn thing from scratch than to attempt to patch bad code. As I said, I’ve been a developer for decades. I’m a subject matter expert here. Just because I don’t work for Microsoft doesn’t mean my critique of their monolithic software is invalid.

Unless you work at Microsoft on the code, you have absolutely no basis for your claim that the entire code base should be thrown out.

It’s an opinion backed by decades of expertise with the product. I’ve not only used every single version of Windows extensively, but I also write software for Windows. That’s not experience you can casually dismiss. I don’t need to work at Microsoft to recognize that its poorly designed from the ground up and that each new version builds on a flawed foundation.

I use Linux. There are frequent bugs that require me to type in a command manually to work around. It would be insane to claim that all of Linux (I’m also referring to all the gnu tools, window managers etc) should be thrown out and start fresh.

Calling your operating system “Linux”–when Linux is just the kernel and not the OS–doesn’t really help your argument here.

Moreover, the various Linux distributions have a strong foundation around the linux kernel. Windows does not. I don’t understand how anyone could seriously argue otherwise.

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Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨19⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
There was absolutely no reason to bring up that you were coding longer than I was alive other than to imply that your age is a reason why the argument is invalid.

Funny how you use your age as an argument but see it as entitled when I point out the reverse.

Calling your operating system “Linux”–when Linux is just the kernel and not the OS–doesn’t really help your argument here.

I specifically referenced Gnu tools, window managers, etc. What is wrong with you?

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- Xanza@lemm.ee ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  There was absolutely no reason to bring up that you were coding longer than I was alive
  
  So since you’ve clearly forgotten, let’s go back in time.
  
  I said Windows should be rewritten from scratch because it has a poor foundation.
  
  You said you should never rewrite large software!
  
  I tell you that I’ve been a developer for decades, and that’s not really true, it’s just the authors opinion, and is entirely predicated on a mistaken supposition.
  
  You get defensive and slap your age down on the table like it’s a big ol’ dick as if you could never be wrong because you’re 60 years old.
  
  I said that I didn’t say that I was older than you. In fact I didn’t mention age at all. I said that the likelyhood of me having been a professional developer for longer than you have been alive is high and you took that to mean as me saying "haha, I’m older so I’m right!"
  
  You misrepresented something your own source said, as something I said, and said it was wrong–which is fucking hilarious to me.
  
  You continue to take everything as a personal attack against you.
  
  Now all of a sudden unless you work for Microsoft you don’t have the ability to have a professional opinion about the subject matter–you posting Spolsky’s word as the word of God despite him having worked for Microsoft for like 4 years over 2 decades ago. lol
  
  I specifically referenced Gnu tools, window managers, etc. What is wrong with you?
  
  This is exactly what you wrote;
  
  I use Linux. There are frequent bugs that require me to type in a command manually to work around.
  
  I mean Jesus Christ my guy.
  
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  - Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    I said Windows should be rewritten from scratch because it has a poor foundation.
    
    Having never written Windows kernel code, you are in no position to judge the foundation.
    
    I tell you that I’ve been a developer for decades
    
    No, you said you have been writing code longer before I was born.
    
    I have been writing code since before you were born. Does that make my opinion more valid?
    
    You misrepresented something your own source said,
    
    The source I lonked clearly explains in detail why code is misread. You handwaved it away with the premise that code might not be misread. With that attitude, memory safety isn’t needed either. Write perfect code and you don’t need to use structured programs. “Don’t do what everyone does because it is extremely hard.” isn’t a valid argument.
    
    This is exactly what you wrote;
    
    " It would be insane to claim that all of Linux (I’m also referring to all the gnu tools, window managers etc) should be thrown out and start fresh. "
    
    I added that in the second sentence because I realized you are a child who has never used Linux without it being part of a distro. The first Linux I ran was compiled without being part of any distro. It was for a PRI Gateway when I was working for Vint Cerf on his side project.
    
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