Replace ‘trans’ with any other group, does it sound bigoted to you now? It reads like ‘we can’t have black girls compete with white girls because of the clear advantage in physicality’ you know, the common racist talking point of old?
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muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 17 hours agoPlease explain what I’ve said that is bigoted? I would go .ee but they don’t allow bot majority communities (I have got an exception for that but I’m checking out the options first).
Didros@beehaw.org 15 hours ago
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
OK let’s replace trans with another group let’s use men as an example. “We can’t have men compete with women because of the clear advantage in physicality” is this sentence fine?
Didros@beehaw.org 15 hours ago
Yes. Look into the history of the first woman to run the Boston Marathon and how people believed that the jostling of the running would kill a woman. That is the world that allowed women’s sports only as it’s own category. Some sports like tennis it might make sense on a competitive compromise. But to apply that thinking to high-school sport, which is more about community than competition, it is just clear exclusion.
Microw@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
What clear advantage? Men and women on average have different body structures, yes. That might favour one in one sport and one in another. The blanket statement “men have a clear advantage in every sport over women” is BS.
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
That would be a stupid thing to say. Except your the only one who said it cos I sure as shit didn’t say every.
Nice strawman.
Didros@beehaw.org 14 hours ago
But also, how gross to round about just say that trans women are men… ಠ_ಠ
Didros@beehaw.org 11 hours ago
It’s just so mind-boggling to me that you can respond to my statement with no critical thinking at all. Do you not even consider the possibility that you could be wrong? I can’t even process that level of arrogance.
muntedcrocodile@lemm.ee 10 hours ago
I absolutely contemplated the the situation that I could be wrong I then went and read a bunch of peer reviewed journals on the subject including ones sent to me by people here on Lemmy. Then based on reading those articles concluded that I was not wrong.
You my friend are the one too arrogant to contemplate if you are wrong.
stray@pawb.social 15 hours ago
Assuming you’re genuinely uninformed and confused, trans women do not have any advantages over cis women if they’ve been on HRT. The lack of testosterone affects the body dramatically. You can see evidence of this in the fact that trans women aren’t dominating any of the competitions which have allowed them.
Furthermore, sports were never fair in the first place. Some people are more naturally gifted in various areas than others. There are actually cis female athletes who have been forced to medically lower their natural testosterone levels in the name of fairness, and that’s some Harrison Bergeron shit.
Microw@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
This might actually be the most important thing here: I have no idea how youth sports handle things (and under the current fascist climate competing as a trans athlete surely is nearly impossible), but if they were to compete without HRT they might have an advantage (in specific sports)?
It’s such a small if combination of things that it’s not worth making a fuss over about, but it might be the one case where it could be true?
stray@pawb.social 11 hours ago
It depends on where the kids are in their development. AFAB and AMAB kids are functionally identical until puberty starts. A trans child should, imo, be allowed puberty-prevention treatments so that they can choose what kind of puberty they’d like to have when they’re older. And that’s sure as heck not doing anyone favors in the athletics department.
Microw@lemm.ee 8 hours ago
True, and absolutely they should be allowed puberty-prevention treatments
bayesianbandit@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
No the most important thing is that the government has no business getting involved in policing young girls bodies in order for them to be allowed to go have some fun with their friends and team mates on the field.
High school sports don’t even need to be that competitive to begin with. It’s not a professional league.
In your attempt to problematize 1% of 1% of 1% of the population here, when school admins and doctors are fully capable of handling it themselves, conservatives are running roughshod over the humanity of every cis girl with broad shoulders, every cis girl with a hormonal issue like PCOS, every cis girl who’s period gets delayed because she’s athletic, etc.
Those are the vast majority of victims who are harmed by the type of thinking you’re intellectualizing over here. Cis girls. Who now will be forced to prove their bodies are acceptably feminine in order to play.
Of course they’re doing all that to trans girls too but nobody cares about that. So as a trans woman I tell you: go ahead and do it I dare you.