Never really got this argument. We all also have names, which we “display” in the same contexts (conversation, email signatures, social bios, etc.). If you said “hey, my name is Tregetour, but I’d like it if you called me Treg,” and I responded “Nah, your name was already determined, it’s silly to believe anyone can enforce a preference about their nickname,” sure, you couldn’t enforce that I called you a nickname, but my response would still be a) rude and b) very weird. Societal niceties aren’t a matter of legal enforcement, there’s just a polite option and a bizarre option.
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Tregetour@lemdro.id 4 days ago
I’ve never understood the progressive left’s eagerness to ‘claim’ pronouns and put them on display. It’s silly to believe anyone can possess them. Your being a he or a she is determined by social context. Accept that your ability to enforce a personal preference is limited at best.
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Evotech@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Which is why people put it in places that they can control, like social media bio, signatures in emails etc so that they are lease have it communicated, giving people the ability to use it.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 4 days ago
To make it feel normal for trans people to do it, and so people are simply aware.
Look, Steve. You’re right that society can force things onto you. But only dickheads do that after they’re made aware that they’re wrong. Am I making sense, Steve?
conditional_soup@lemm.ee 4 days ago
I’m on the progressive left. At best, it’s treated as a social nicety that we ought to offer each other, because it’s perfectly reasonable to expect functioning adults in a society to be polite. It’s hardly a meat and bone issue for me, and I think you’ll also find that to be true for actual progressive left politicians like Bernie and AOC. Much of the progressive left, despite what Fox or OAN is telling you, is focused on actually fixing economic issues that impact everyone, like the outrageous cost of healthcare.
kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I agree with what you said, and personally find it stupid, however i wouldn’t go and issue a whole policy “to remove pronouns”
Tregetour@lemdro.id 4 days ago
NASA has to interpret the boss’s demands. Like every other US public org they’re looking for anonymity by being center of the pack.
Mojave@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Have you ever had a single real life interaction with someone who puts their pronouns up front and center? Have YOU ever seen someone talk about their pronouns outside of an internet ragebait setting?
I’m not trans. I was born with cock and balls. I had (He/Him) in my work emails until recently. I’m just built like a twink, even when I was a soldier and lifted every day. I’ve always looked extremely feminine, and get called ma’am by strangers all the time. People call me by whatever pronouns they want, mostly out of confusion. I’ll always respond to them if they’re not outright doing it to be a contrarian or a pussy-hearted whiny bitch because I look like a girl.
My “ability to enforce a personal preference is limited at best” is actually zero. When you give your preferred pronouns to someone you have no control over them using the right pronouns. You’re completely reliant on the kindness of others to not be a piece of shit and make fun of you. That’s not a reason to stop giving your pronouns out.
Tregetour@lemdro.id 4 days ago
If you concede your powerlessness, why would you issue them in the first place? I’m reminded of signage in workplace kitchens, requesting that people wipe benches and ensure dishes aren’t left in the sink - a conscientious worker will follow it in nearly all cases (either by accident or deliberation), but it’s pointless when in front of a careless worker.
Mojave@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Because a sink is an obvious place to wash your hands, but as a person I don’t have an obvious gender. Giving pronouns isn’t demanding that people comply with using them, it’s for people who want to know. At least for me.
knightly@pawb.social 4 days ago
I’m trans, and my perspective is that pronouns are a useful social signal. I prefer to let people call me whatever they want because the word they choose reveals how they see me, but I still have my pronouns in my email signature because some people are kind enough to put other people’s feelings before their own assumptions and would have to ask for it if the info weren’t available.
It’s not a matter of power, it’s a matter of social friction and the concessions we all make so that we can work together smoothly.