Comment on You Can’t Post Your Way Out of Fascism | Authoritarians and tech CEOs now share the same goal: to keep us locked in an eternal doomscroll instead of organizing against them

rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

• OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I would argue that journalism is necessary, just not sufficient, for moving into the future.

  Ironically this is true for every one of the myriad sides in this conflict.

  I recall a sci-fi book from CS Lewis... anyway my point is that this was well known after WWII, and probably often had to be rediscovered throughout history. Strong societies produce weak children and so on. We've had our Yin, now time for the karmic Yang to brutalize us for being so extremely negligent.

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Maybe it’s better to refrain from growing strong men, though, just average will do, with average children, not weak.

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    • OpenStars@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I'm not sure how it is possible to produce merely average people though? Anyway, even if humanity itself were to not change, the world around us still does. Perhaps one day aliens will show up, assuming that climate change doesn't kill us all in the moderate term future. Just like all those species of animals and plants and such that we've driven extinct: they lasted so long, but then could not survive us.

      So I would argue that we *always* should remain strong... it's just that the definition of what that even means will constantly keep changing, in response to our circumstances.

      But, Stoicism, yeah - it's literally all that we can do, so let's do that.:-)

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      • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’m not sure how it is possible to produce merely average people though?

        Not getting excited with global solutions and utopias. At some point in my 12-15 I considered libertarianism a far wiser ideology than the rest due to this, but then noticed how there are libertarian utopias emerging for all tastes. Panarchy (that’s not yet a thing), agorism (that to some extent is, with cryptocurrencies and internet connectivity) and maybe something else.

        Any wise construct stops being wise if you rely on it too much.

        So people thinking “correctly” are not those you want to have, people familiar with good things, but not invested too much, are.

        If you build a construct (say, in a game like Civilization) with -7 modifier to fascism, then the humanity will regulate to that and negate the modifier. Then your construct crumbles, and the humanity gets +7 to fascism. Was it really a good idea in the first place then?

        So I would argue that we always should remain strong… it’s just that the definition of what that even means will constantly keep changing, in response to our circumstances.

        And that means that trying to remain strong we’ll waste effort in all directions instead of having some when needed.

        But, Stoicism, yeah - it’s literally all that we can do, so let’s do that.:-)

        Stoicism is about spending effort where you should and not spending when you shouldn’t. It’s not pure inaction, it’s the way to do less nonsense.

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