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communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨18⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

Have you ever read a philosopher on democracy? If not, how can you have such strong opinions without doing your research?

Yes, I have, I wouldn’t if I didn’t.

It’s not like Anarchy is some very complex concept, Fundamental political ideologies are not that hard to understand, like theocracy, dictatorship, communism, democracy. It’s all pretty simple, and so is anarchy.

The notion that you think they’re simple is my proof that you are completely unread on them. Explain mutualism to me, I doubt you can.

And of all of the above, democracy is the best we have, but in that context, it’s important to notice that USA is NOT an actual democracy!!! It’s a flawed democracy, and the flaws are very fundamental.

I agree, democracy is by far the greatest system ever created, that’s why I maximize it, I want democracy in the workplace, democracy for every single law, I want democracy everywhere. The flaw is that we don’t actually have a democracy, our democracy lets us elect representatives, but not choose laws that actually benefit us.

PS: Descartes was strongly in favor of anarchy, but even he ended up admitting that it cannot work. That was about 400 years ago, when philosophers were very busy trying to rethink models for how society can work. But the fundamental idea of Anarchy hasn’t really changed since then. If it had, it would be called something other than anarchy.

The notion that descartes couldn’t figure it out and therefore it must be fundamentally flawed is actually legitimately hilarious. that was before even PROUDHON. 90% of anarchist thought hadn’t even happened at that point, descartes was not some god that could figure out every detail of everything.

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Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨17⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

if I was unread on the topic.

I never claimed that, just that I didn’t read any philosophers, there’s a huge difference between philosophers and real scientists. We were taught about political systems in 7th grade, so it’s quite stretch for you to claim people need to read philosophers to understand them.

But i actually have read philosophers, but it wasn’t very big reads and it was long ago, doesn’t take much to recognize when you are confronted with bullshit.

I agree, democracy is by far the greatest system ever created, that’s why I maximize it, I want democracy in the workplace, democracy for every single law,

OK that’s not anarchy. maybe someone calls it so, but that has NOTHING to do with what anarchy actually means.

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- communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  We were taught about political systems in 7th grade, so it’s quite stretch for you to claim people need to read philosophers to understand them.
  
  If you don’t read primary sources then you don’t know what they actually say, this is how you end up being propagandized into believing the absolute nonsense you believe about what anarchists believe.
  
  But i actually have read philosophers, but it wasn’t very big reads and it was long ago, doesn’t take much to recognize when you are confronted with bullshit.
  
  which ones?
  
  OK that’s not anarchy. maybe someone calls it so, but that has NOTHING to do with what anarchy actually means.
  
  Bakunin, proudhon, literally every single founder of anarchist thought would COMPLETELY disagree with you, can you point to a single one that agrees with you?
  
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  - Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    
    literally every single founder of anarchist thought
    
    You cant be serious?! Those people are hundreds of years to late to be founders of anarchism, from when the idea was reexamined 400 years ago. And the actual founder of the Idea was 2000 years ago.
    
    It would be easier to believe you, if you didn’t spew such bullshit. Also those were not new ideas when I was in 7th grade, I may be old, but i’m not THAT old.
    
    And also Mikhail Bakunin was a Russian Anarchist, so how exactly were his ideas suppressed by capitalism?
    
    When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called “the People’s Stick”.
    
    This is a nice quote though.
    
    just as an example, why do you think bakunin did this:
    
    Because he was anti Marxism/communism, as per the quote above.
    
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    communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_anarchism
    
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