Comment on Bluesky now has 30 million users.

• Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  That is an ass pull if I’ve ever heard one.

  Let me make sure I understand your comment correctly.

  You’re saying that if you post information publically, on a platform whose whole concept is that everything is public, and someone uses information you posted there to identify you, stalk you, break and enter, and then assault you…that it’s the fault of the service you used to post that identifying information?

  That’s the arguement being made?

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  • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    No, I believe the argument they’re making is if someone else posts your private information on BlueSky (think Kiwifarms doxxing gay people and sending that info to Christian hate groups), and BlueSky moderation doesn’t take action against the account posting the info, and then somebody uses that information to find and attack you, then BlueSky is culpable in the attack because they could’ve done something, but didn’t.

    A better example, I think, would be the recent issue with known transphobe Jesse Singal and his followers, who came to BlueSky around a month ago and immediately began posting bigotry and false info. When reported to the moderation team, they did nothing about it (he actually got banned by the auto-mod and then manually unbanned during that period, but that’s another story). If he were to do something like my example, posting a trans person’s private information online and telling his followers to harass them, and BlueSky did nothing to remove the posts or his account, then they’d be legally culpable for enabling anything that might happen to you. But under arbitration, you can’t sue them for it.

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    • Tyfud@lemmy.world ⁨23⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is correct.

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    • Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Ah, THAT explaination at least has legs. All these other responses I’m getting are these abstract “mouse trap if everything goes exactly like this”, sort of explainations.

      Although, I still don’t think financial recouperation is the path I’d take. I would be pressing legal charges. Like, criminal acts go to prison type charges.

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      • EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

        I might be wrong (obligatory I am not a lawyer), but I think the laws either make it so that they can’t be considered as an accomplice to a crime like that, or they’re a corporation, which means that fines are really the only way they can be punished.

        Either way, the arbitration clause, I believe, means that you can’t take them to court like that in any situation. An out of court settlement is your only option, except in the case of a class action lawsuit, which let’s them get a bulk deal on how much they have to pay out.

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    • xigoi@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I find this weird. If someone were to send your private information to someone via physical post, is the post company responsible for that too?

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  • finitebanjo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Would you say it is a one in a 30 million occurrence, roughly?

    It was an asspull example but there are similar cases in the past. Forced arbitration of any lawsuit you present for any reason is bad, be it as simple as their software accidentally bricking your phone or as major as an attempt on your life being ignored by the platform.

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• SPOOSER@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Then the person liable to you would be the person doxxing you, not Bluesky themselves unless Bluesky themselves was the party that doxxed you and in that case I don’t think a court would hold you to the arbitration.

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  • tabular@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    We’ve seen Disney try but then withdraw an attempt to enforce arbitration when a lady died from an allergic reaction in their* restaurant and their partner had signed up for Disney+ free trial. It’s not unimaginable a court would hold you to it since we’re already bonkers land where forced arbitrary is legal.

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