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FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
Looks interesting. But I don’t see what the point is unless you connect to fediverse or can attract a critical mass to keep it self sustaining.
yeah…the fediverse is Reddit 2.0
Lemmy has been getting a little more…fascisty lately. each community has basically been infiltrated by power-tripping mods from Reddit that honestly have no business being mods.
it’s good to have things different than Reddit and Lemmy.
“Lemmy” is actually not a platform like Reddit, it’s software and the network is decentralized (it uses the ActivityPub protocol) meaning each instance is operated by a different person (or group). There are also other similar softwares like Piefed and mBin that work pretty well with Lemmy. That is all to say that if an Admin or Mod is “getting fascisty” you can block that instance, join another, or even create your own. That’s the beauty of ActivityPub!
each community has basically been infiltrated by power-tripping mods from Reddit that honestly have no business being mods.
Do you have examples? I follow !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com quite closely, and except the usual Lemmy.ml and Lemmy.world power tripping the vast majority of communities seem okay
Yeah I do.
@grue@lemmy.world in !fuckcars@lemmy.world applies the rules to everyone but his friends.
I had a hottake, lemmy.world/comment/14282775, yesterday. you might not be able to read it since he removed all my comments and banned me, so here it is.
I’m all for protests, but please don’t block major roadways or interstates.
emergency services use the same roads and your protest will kill someone. pile up on the sides of the road, throw paint balloons in the streets, throw your shit at cars passing by. I really don’t care.
just keep the streets clear for emergency services.
his buddies started to attack me after I gave them real world examples to back up my opinion. they were rude and condescending and I responded in kind.
when I got back on all my responses were deleted for being “uncivil”. so I reported all their comments that were uncivil and condescending or mocking. waited like 3 or 4 hours. zero response. so I called him out on it, lemmy.world/comment/14291055
since he removed that I’ll post it here too.
hey f***face, if you’re going to apply the rules you better apply the rules for everyone equally, not everyone except your friends like @ReadMoreBooks@lemmy.zip or @leftytighty@slrpnk.net
I know it was you that deleted my comments because you made this comment after you removed them for being “uncivil”.
how’s this for uncivil, go back to Reddit you corrupt piece of shit.
in case you didn’t realize it this is sarcasm.
yeah, it broke rules, but my anger was justified. dude is clearly abusing his mod powers.
all their “uncivil” and condescending retorts are all still there though. and here I am banned from the community because he got pissy that he got called out.
I reached out to another mod on there but they haven’t been active since July.
TBF this isn’t the only instance of “Reddit mod bigmad” I’ve experienced on here. the communities aren’t a problem, it’s the power-tripping mods from Reddit that got kicked out that will destroy Lemmy/fediverse.
Hi folks, I’m the mod @GreenKnight23 is complaining about.
I removed four of his comments for incivility, out of the eight he had posted in the thread at the time. I chose those four and only those four because they consisted pretty much entirely of insults and accusations against another user. I omitted the other four because, while some of them contained incivility too, they also contained valid arguments and/or weren’t as egregious.
The comments removed were:
The contents of these comments are visible in the !fuckcars modlog:
lemmy.world/modlog/3902?page=1&actionType=All
He then proceeded to post the paranoid unhinged rant attacking me that he copied above, basically leaving me no choice but to ban him. After some waffling over the duration (which you can also see reflected in the modlog), I chose to temporarily ban him for 1 day, the shortest interval possible.
The contents of that removed comment are not visible in the !fuckcars modlog.
Later, he wrote the comment here in !selfhosted I’m now replying to (which I noticed because it showed up in my inbox due to the username mention) and I read that he claimed that all of his comments in the thread were removed. At first I thought it was just a blatant lie and began writing a rebuttal, but then I realized that he’s right: all of them are gone, and there are no entries in the modlog detailing why they were removed or who did it.
I think what happened was that when I banned him, I checked the “remove content” checkbox thinking that it removed the comment I was banning him for, but it apparently removed all of his comments in the thread instead. Worse, it doesn’t record in the modlog that that’s what it did. On top of that, unbanning him doesn’t undo the comment removals, which is unfortunate because testing that possibility and then re-banning him afterward reset the timer to the full 24 hours again.
Anyway, I’ve looked through the thread and attempted to individually restore the comments I never intended to remove. That in itself is difficult because I can’t see what the original text was until I restore it, and the comment IDs apparently change(!) when the original text is overwritten or when they’re viewed in context or something (I haven’t quite figured out the reason yet), so I can’t just match the numbers in the URLs. Nevertheless, the state of his comments in the thread should be as intended now. Also, I learned something new about how moderation works, so that’s nice I guess.
P.S.: I’d like to give a special shout-out to this comment of his…
…which I not only didn’t remove initially but also went to the trouble of restoring, even though it almost certainly deserves removal, just because of the minuscule chance that the deleted comment it’s replying to contained something that somehow justified it. That’s how lenient I’ve intended to be this entire time, and had still been in practice at the point @GreenKnight23 posted his rant.
P.P.S. I’m not actually colluding with any other users, BTW.
Mods are sad people
I also wouldn’t know what they mean. Fascist takeover sounds like something I would notice?
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
I don’t get why people are so interested in the fediverse. I guess it’s a sizeable amount of content, but it’s not really all that popular and has a host of its own issues.
That said, I’m working on a similar project (distributed Reddit clone), and one of my goals is to eventually connect it to the fediverse to get access to content. That said, a distributed service isn’t directly compatible w/ a federated one (there are no servers in a distributed service, only simple relays), so I’d have to build a bridge to get it to work, and bridges are notoriously awkward to deal with in the best case (see Matrix bridges), and adding P2P on top of that makes things even more awkward.
Corgana@startrek.website 4 days ago
Because Mastodon is Twitter without the possibility of an Elon Musk and Lemmy/Piefed is Reddit without the possibility of a Steve Huffman. You clearly feel that you can do better than the collective efforts of the ActivityPub devs so I am rooting for you!
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 4 days ago
But we’re still at the mercy of the admins of the large instances. Most of the popular Lemmy communities are at lemmy.ml, lemmy.world, or sh.itjust.works. Eventually the admins of those instances will either turn evil (I argue that has already happened on lemmy.ml) or stop hosting the service, and then we’re still screwed. I don’t know mastodon well enough, but I’m guessing they have a similar problem with a handful of instances hosting a disproportionate portion of the content.
I don’t know that I can do better, but I can try something different. Plebbit is trying something different as well, so hopefully someone will find a good mix of tradeoffs.
I’m on Lemmy because it’s the least bad option at the moment for what I’m looking for, but I think it’s fundamentally flawed. Apparently the Plebbit devs do as well (or they think they can get away with a grift), and I hope there are lots of others out there quietly plunking away at their own project. I believe Lemmy will die eventually, and I’d really like to have an alternative ready.
ubergeek@lemmy.today 4 days ago
So…
Start alternatives, on a host ypu maintain, and then everything can be ran perfectly how you want it to run
Problem solved.