Creating and distributing anything should be legal if no real person suffers during its creation and if it’s not intended at defamation, forgery, such things.
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webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
I have ver mixed feelings about this prosecution of ai deepfakes.
Like obviously people should have protection against becoming a victim of such and perpetrators should be held accountable.
But the line “feds are currently testing whether existing laws protecting kids against abuse are enough to shield kids from AI harms” would be a incredibly dangerous precedent because those are mostly designed for actual physical sex crimes.
As wrong as it is to create and distribute ai generated sex imagery involving non consenting people it is not even remotely as bad as actual rape and distributing real photos.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 1 day ago
AstralPath@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Bruh how is creating and distributing a non-consensual nude-ified picture of a young girl not a cause for suffering for the victim? Please, explain that to the class.
Did you just not go to school as a kid? If so, that would explain your absolute ineptitude on this topic. Your opinion is some real “your body, my choice” kind of energy.
krashmo@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
There’s a legitimate discussion to be had about harm reduction here. You’re approaching this topic from an all-or-nothing mindset but there’s quite a bit of research indicating that’s not really how it works in practice. Specifically as it relates to child pornography the argument goes that not allowing artificial material to be created leads to an increase in production of actual child pornography which obviously means more real children are being harmed than would be if other forms were not controlled in the same fashion. The same sort of logic could be applied to revenge porn, stolen selfies, or whatever else we’re calling the kind of thing this article is referring to. It may not be an identical scenario but I still think it would be fair to say that an AI generated image is not as damaging as a real one.
That is not to say that nothing should be done in these situations. I haven’t decided what I think the right move is given the options in front of us but I think there’s quite a bit more nuance here than your comment would indicate.
MagicShel@lemmy.zip 22 hours ago
I think this is probably a really good point. I have no issue with AI generated images, although obviously if they are used to do an illegal thing such has harassment or defamation, those things are still illegal.
I’m of two minds when it comes to AI nudes of minors. The first is that if someone wants that and no actual person is harmed, I really don’t care. Let me caveat that here: I suspect there are people out there who, if inundated with fake CP, will then be driven to ideation about actual child abuse. And I think there is real harm done to that person and potentially the children if they go on to enact those fantasies. However I think it needs more data before I am willing to draw a firm conclusion.
But the second is that a proliferation of AI CP means it will be very difficult to tell fakes from actual child abuse. And for that reason alone, I think it’s important that any distribution of CP, whether real or just realistic, must be illegal. Because at a minimum it wastes resources that could be used to assist actual children and find their abusers.
So, absent further information, I think whatever a person whats to generate for themselves in private is just fine, but as soon as it starts to be distributed, I think that it must be illegal.
Arkouda@lemmy.ca 22 hours ago
It may not be an identical scenario but I still think it would be fair to say that an AI generated image is not as damaging as a real one.
“The deepfakes are often used to extort, harass or bully minors, she says, and are easy to make because of the many sites and apps that will “nudify” an image.”
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
Read my comment again.
Your opinion is some real “your body, my choice” kind of energy.
My advice to you would be to improve your reading comprehension before judging this way.
In particular, the word “defamation”.
essteeyou@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Can you share a full-body shot of yourself please? Don’t worry, you wont suffer while it gets used to create other content that we’ll distribute to your friends, family, classmates, coworkers, etc.
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
You first.
ShepherdPie@midwest.social 16 hours ago
“Deepfakes” are edited pictures of real people. I’d be more inclined to agree with you on completely AI generated images but not something specifically intended to deceive others into thinking they’re viewing a real person’s image.
essteeyou@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Oh, so “anything” doesn’t mean what it used to mean?
emr@lemmy.sdf.org 15 hours ago
How do you litigate ‘intention’ in this way?
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
This is not a legal text, you little cheat.
This is a sentence in natural language, want me to start asking such questions about everything you write?
If you make a deepfake of someone and share it, then it’s defamation. Taking a picture voluntarily shared and editing it is not a crime.
boatswain@infosec.pub 11 hours ago
My understanding is that intention is not uncommonly litigated; I believe the question of “intent to deceive” is central to trademark law, for example. That’s also what the the “degrees” of murder etc are about.
Disclaimer: I’m not a lawyer. I do read an awful lot of contacts and talk to lawyers.
Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You would be fine with AI-gen porn images of your teenage daughter being distributed around the internet?
rottingleaf@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
I take it, the word “defamation” is not part of your lexicon.
Alphane_Moon@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
The issue being discussed does not fall under defamation.
droporain@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
Meanwhile in reality check out what she is distributing through Snapchat and only fans… Maybe pursuing the actual crimes first then if there’s spare resources go after fiction.
todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Big “but what was she wearing?” energy here.
I don’t give a shit if she’s doing Shein bikini hauls on Youtube. If you use AI to nudify her pictures, you’re manufacturing child pornography, and deserve the full consequences for doing that.
As for OnlyFans, they are quite strict about age requirements. Children aren’t running OF accounts. You just hate women and needed to bring up OF to slut-shame.
Blueberrydreamer@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
I don’t think you’re on the right track here. There are definitely existing laws in most states regarding ‘revenge porn’, creating sexual media of minors, Photoshop porn, all kinds of things that are very similar to ai generated deep fakes. In some cases ai deepfakes fall under existing laws, but often they don’t. Or, because of how the law is written, they exist in a legal grey area that will be argued in the courts for years.
Nowhere is anyone suggesting that making deepfakes should be prosecuted as rape, that’s just complete nonsense. The question is, where do new laws need to be written, or laws need to be updated to make sure ai porn is