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TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

You don’t just get to call any words that you don’t like, or even words directly attacking you, an ad hominem. A statement is only an ad hominem if 1) it’s attempting to refute an argument 2) by attacking the character/motive of the person making the argument INSTEAD OF the actual content of the argument. “Your argument is wrong because you’re an idiot” is an ad hominem. What the other commenter said to you is not. Note that people claiming “ad hominem” on statements that are not are sometimes said to be committing an “ad hominem fallacy fallacy.”

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Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

A statement is only an ad hominem if 1) it’s attempting to refute an argument 2) by attacking the character/motive of the person

Which is EXACTLY what he did.

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- TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
  Ok buddy, you only quoted part of what I said. You’re wrong, accept it and move on.
  
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  - Buffalox@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    
    Ok buddy, you only quoted part of what I said.
    
    I took the part that was essential. Your claim that only things like this is an ad hominem is essentially the same argument.
    
    Your argument is wrong because you’re an idiot
    
    That’s the same as your argument is wrong, because you are angry and hurt, and therefore not rational. Both are equally as much attacks on the person and not the argument.
    
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    TootGuitar@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago
    
    So do you think that’s an OK comment to our discussion?
    
    I’m not passing any judgement on whether anything is an “OK comment.” In fact, on the topic being discussed, I think I agree with you more than that person you’re replying to, but as I said, I only stopped by to comment on your fallacious claim that the person committed an ad hominem, because it’s super fucking annoying to me when people throw that term around when they don’t know what they’re doing.
    
    you must understand you are wrong, because “obvious fact”
    
    THIS PART IS THE PERSON’S ARGUMENT, no matter how good or bad as it might be, and no matter how much it is surrounded by words that you view as insulting. Therefore I hope you agree with me that it’s not an ad hominem. Or did you not read the link I posted yet?
    
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