Comment on Innocent Israelis, Bad Arabs? How the Media Scripted Amsterdam's Soccer Violence

bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

• Jozav@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Today it has become clear (see mayor/police report) that these messages appeared on the day of the game after the attack on a taxi driver, and not weeks in advance.

  I request you to remove that lie.

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• ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Do you deny the genocide perpetrated by the IDF?

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  • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There’s a war against a deeply entrenched enemy in a dense urban environment with civilian deaths, but no genocide. If the IDF wanted to genocide Gaza, we would be at a million deaths at least by now.

    Remember that Palestinian terrorists managed to kill more than 1000 Israelis in one day with mostly small arms. The IDF could easily kill ten times as much per day, if they wanted to. The number of bombs the IDF dropped on Gaza is higher than the number of dead Gazans. That‘s only possible if they try to minimize civilian deaths.

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    • antidenialistcnt@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      “Dense urban environment” jezz I wonder why it’s so dense lmao it’s a ghetto.

      “They didn’t kill enough people” is a disgusting way to deny genocide.

      The IDF could easily kill ten times as much per day, if they wanted to. If the IDF wanted to genocide Gaza, we would be at a million deaths at least by now.

      “It wasn’t intentional”

      Remember that Palestinian terrorists managed to kill more than 1000 Israelis in one day with mostly small arms

      “It was self defense”

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      • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The ICJ also always only talked about the danger of genocide, not that one is actually occurring.

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• BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  So include them in your post that otherwise just proves the point of the article?

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  • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    thejc.com/…/amsterdam-taxi-drivers-accused-of-usi…

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    • BrikoX@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The article included several unsourced quotes form some kind of chat groups which are also potentially translated. And then they included a random unsourced screenshot which has “translation” added on top it, removing original content that would help verify authenticity. That’s not proof you claim it to be… Not only basic fact checking disproves it, but article itself quotes Uber spokesperson indicating there were no reports.

      A story on how the claim that was rejected by Uber. And Israeli PR machine trying to make something out of nothing.

      An Uber spokesperson tweeted saying they were “shocked to hear of this abhorrent violence” and were supporting Dutch authorities with their investigation.

      They claimed, “there were no reported incidents of violence or antisemitism on the Uber app,” and did not respond to allegations that drivers perpetrated physical violence.

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      • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Of course Uber would deny that. You can find more details on Dutch media. This was the first English article I found.

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• Jozav@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  I’d like to see that. I have been following everything closely, and a lot of rumors are used as truths. From both sides… can you post some links?

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  • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Another link yahoo.com/…/jews-kicked-beaten-humiliated-night-1…

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    • Jozav@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      I asked for the screenshots, none given. These look like doctored communications, the maker did not realize these (mostly uneducated) people do not chat in English?

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      • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        These are translated from Dutch and Arabic of course.

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  • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    thejc.com/…/amsterdam-taxi-drivers-accused-of-usi…

    If you look at Dutch media, you can find more.

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    • Jozav@lemmy.world [bot] ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Also here. I asked for the screenshots, none given.

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      • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        These are translated from Arabic and Dutch of course.

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• Mannimarco@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

  Doesn’t mean the Israelis were innocent

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  • bestboyfriendintheworld@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Pogroms are always the fault of the Jews.

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    • antidenialistcnt@lemmings.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      The world starts to see through your bullshit. You cannot manipulate the truth forever you know

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    • stink@lemmygrad.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Calling this a pogrom is like calling my stubbed toe a war crime buddy

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    • Mannimarco@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Blablabla

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